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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    In dry seasons around here, constant deliberate control-fire are an absolute must. There are hundreds of thousands of acres highly inaccessible and with literally a couple foot deep layer of dry dead palm prawns, branches, leaves, dead grass, branches, pine needles with then the dried upper grown grass and bushes too. If that gets going by a fire, usually caused by lightling storms, the fire is intense and difficult to reach if not impossible.

    For this, every year, there is a bulldozed maze of fire lanes for access - which double somewhat as fire slow-downs. However, there also are continuous controlled burns too to limit how much a fire can spread - as fire won't burn thru an already burned out patch. Yet the areas so diverse and government owned, no one complains.

    In California and apparently Arizona and other areas, homeowners don't what patches of wildland near THEIR houses control burned. As a result, there will always be "out of control" and enormous wildfires there. Fighting fire with fire is a necessity, and when denied the result WILL be massive fires and lose of life and property.

    If one studies nature without human intervention, fire is a natural cycle both to prevent catastrophic mass fires and for new growth and new life. But no one with a house in the hills or mountains wants to see a patch of burned land while driving home, so this isn't done - and the consequences 100% predictable later - a worse, more destructive and more deadly fires.

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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    If California would go back to their old practice of removing the underbrush from open areas - which environmentalists were successful at stopping - it would get rid of a lot of the "gasoline" that feeds these fires.

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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    These were the best of the best. Think...the green berets of the fire fighter world. Top scores on their cpats, etc.

    But no one controls the wind. Damn crying shame. I feel for their families.
    Let me start of by saying my wife's cousin worked for the Prescott Fire Department and was a Hot Shot with the department until last year and since moved on to better things. So it's big deal to my wife and her family as they knew most of them. I barely remember meeting them at barbecues. So I am not being rude, insensitive or anything like that with what I am about to say.

    Okay.. two issues.. 1) They were close to best of the best but Smokejumpers are the best of the best when it comes to wildfires. But no big deal it can be confusing.

    2) Weren't you one of those I was arguing with about knowledge and how it shouldn't be free (my position) because training and certification is very important? You said having an AST cert didn't mean you were a good mechanic or something to that effect? These guys were highly trained (years of it) and despite their training they couldn't survive. Yet if these guys (and gals) didn't exist and didn't have exclusive training you'd have hundreds of deaths a year from the average joe learning on the fly.
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If California would go back to their old practice of removing the underbrush from open areas - which environmentalists were successful at stopping - it would get rid of a lot of the "gasoline" that feeds these fires.
    And this happened in Arizona.
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Let me start of by saying my wife's cousin worked for the Prescott Fire Department and was a Hot Shot with the department until last year and since moved on to better things. So it's big deal to my wife and her family as they knew most of them. I barely remember meeting them at barbecues. So I am not being rude, insensitive or anything like that with what I am about to say.

    Okay.. two issues.. 1) They were close to best of the best but Smokejumpers are the best of the best when it comes to wildfires. But no big deal it can be confusing.

    2) Weren't you one of those I was arguing with about knowledge and how it shouldn't be free (my position) because training and certification is very important? You said having an AST cert didn't mean you were a good mechanic or something to that effect? These guys were highly trained (years of it) and despite their training they couldn't survive. Yet if these guys (and gals) didn't exist and didn't have exclusive training you'd have hundreds of deaths a year from the average joe learning on the fly.
    I don't remember that discussion with you. At all. I think it must've been someone else. ??
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Aw, Man! Awful

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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't remember that discussion with you. At all. I think it must've been someone else. ??
    talking about Kevin. Whom I quoted.
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If California would go back to their old practice of removing the underbrush from open areas - which environmentalists were successful at stopping - it would get rid of a lot of the "gasoline" that feeds these fires.
    BIL used to run heavy equip for the State of California, digging fire breaks and directional trenches for landslides, until his age and back gave out on him.

    He used to say they always waited to the last minute to do preventive work, rather than planning well ahead, because they didn't have enough people to keep up with it.

    What a horrible shame for those fire fighters.
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    talking about Kevin. Whom I quoted.
    OMG. I'm sorry. What a dork!
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    Re: 19 firefighters killed in Arizona wildfire were part of elite Hotshot crew

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And this happened in Arizona.
    I know, I was just making a point.

    There are many who believe that fires in Arizona are started intentionally in order to distract authorities while illegal immigrants are crossing borders and making their way through the state.

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