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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is almost no way to have that discussion in this forum. My short, unclassified answer would be "a lot."
    understand ,,, thanks ...

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is almost no way to have that discussion in this forum. My short, unclassified answer would be "a lot."
    I'm still floored that you espouse personal liberty in your signature yet are willing to give so much of it away in the false name of security.

    Defense of the nation does not require offense against our privacy. Unless you buy this "terrorism is a new paradigm" nonsense.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    I'm still floored that you espouse personal liberty in your signature yet are willing to give so much of it away in the false name of security.

    Defense of the nation does not require offense against our privacy. Unless you buy this "terrorism is a new paradigm" nonsense.


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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "I know that every good and excellent thing in the world stands moment by moment on the razor-edge of danger and must be fought for." Thornton Niven Wilder
    A razor's edge, or the stroke of a keyboard, however you choose to look at it

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    USA USA USA

    Yeah baby!

    Obama is the most brilliantest, bestest president evah!

    He does almost everything to perfection, to question him is to admit insanity.

    Just like GWB! Such amazing people they are.

    Side note: hmm, what country should I move to?

    Reality: everywhere sucks

    Alternate reality: the USA is truly going to become a hell-pit the likes of which has never been seen. Perhaps I should just take a temporary down-grade and evacuate?
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I would hope that being very close US allies inside NATO would mean something.

    But it's not like the US govt is not doing it to their own citizens ...
    With Germany's track record, it's a wise investment to keeo an eye on them.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So the rest of the NSA is made up entirely of criminals? He's the only "conscientious citizen" among them?

    No, this is an attention whore not happy where his life was headed. There were far better ways to do this, and he chose the instant celebrity route.
    Well, no. Thomas Drake and a handful of others going back several years have done this, and it was covered in the MSM. Perhaps you have some form of selective amnesia that makes you forget those other brave men and women. Colleen Rowley and Sibel Edmonds, on the women's side.

    I'm sure there are many good individuals within the Borg, but they are very much intimidated by the prosecution of Manning, Drake, Snowden and a few others.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    And our leader Da Prez, states catagorically it is OK, this is what all other governments are doing. Bill Press the liberal said on his morning show we should then simply torch the Constitution.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    I follow this Snowden story quite extensively. I have sort of collected what I felt were all the pertinent stories and articles and placed them all on one .html page.
    http://www.dotandcalm.com/calm-archi...ne30-2013.html

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month: report




    America!! America!!!!!! MerikA!!!!! MERIKA!!!!!

    F yeah....

    So who is going to defend this (if it proves to be true)?
    This is proof that reporters are pretty incompetent when it comes to anything technical. They're also terrible at math.

    Merits aside, the US did not *tap* 500,000,000 individual phone calls, emails, and text messages in Germany. That's about 120,000k per second. The terrorism watchlist has about 100,000,000 members on it. It's conceivable that a modern data centre could check a few parameters about the connections with a few parameters on the terrorism watch list, but only a few. And it would still be a pretty sizable achievement to acquire and store that much data.

    There are a lot of other people on the internet who gather much more information than the US government.

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