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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    We both agree there are none, I assume.

    The point is that our "allies", the "coalition of the willing" and all that pap, are justifiably angry over our disingenuous and juvenile invasion of their space. It's rather like parents who tell their children they trust them, and then proceed to conduct secret searches of their places and effects.

    They see what a 2 faced hypocrite this government is, and they're not happy about it.
    It's all BS designed for public consumption though - I'd bet they've been spying on us too.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I suspect that is true, but I have no way of knowing.

    I do not object to spying, and even if I did it would not make any difference, but it seems to me that the European indignation is well founded.

    Maybe they do, but I doubt very much they are gathering such megadata on the entire world as we are. Maybe they are, but I doubt it. They don't have enough land left to build the huge warehouses for the computers. That's a joke.

    Certainly in time of war spying is necessary. The War On Terror is fraudulent from start to finish, so I do not accept that as a legitimate reason to justify such spying as is being done.

    Benedict Snowden? How about Colbert's AT&Treason? How about Gunslinger George Obama?

    Snowden is no traitor, he is a conscientious citizen who objects to the criminal actions of his government.
    So the rest of the NSA is made up entirely of criminals? He's the only "conscientious citizen" among them?

    No, this is an attention whore not happy where his life was headed. There were far better ways to do this, and he chose the instant celebrity route.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I agree with everything you've said so far, but you have not demonstrated that gathering all communications from everybody everywhere has a valid purpose or a legal foundation.
    I couldn't even begin to speculate as to the "valid purpose" behind such a program without first knowing its intent. The NSA might've wanted some specific bit of information which the Germans weren't going to give up otherwise, or they might've simply been performing general surveillance on the off chance that something of value might eventually pop up.

    It's impossible to say for sure without knowing the NSA's mindset.

    Furthermore, while I'm sure the program was wildly illegal, it should be noted that espionage is pretty much always illegal. This has never stopped anyone from performing intelligence gathering operations on foreign soil in the past, and it certainly won't prevent them from doing so in the future.

    "Cloak and dagger" is hardly a line of work where most people worrying about "playing by the rules" in the first place.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    If I had known that you were going to read my post to another poster, I would not have been as subtle and playful as I was ... but you defending BHO on what? Normally you're accusing him of one thing or another ...
    BHO is on the right side of the NSA-Snowden kerfluffle. My hypocrisy meter was in the red zone all day hearing the Euros' comments.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Building on the point of the gravity of the matter, Reuters is now carrying the following banner: Breaking News: U.S. will provide all information that European allies want regarding spying allegations: Obama

    Given the profound implications, I am not surprised that the White House would take such a sweeping posture. The value of the strategic relationships involved is vastly greater than any of the possible benefits derived from the alleged activities. Doing anything less risked undermining critical U.S. interests. This is a welcome development.
    Of course they'll get a watered down report on the activities probably data on 30% of the most innocent kinds of stuff.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    BHO is on the right side of the NSA-Snowden kerfluffle. My hypocrisy meter was in the red zone all day hearing the Euros' comments.
    LOL ... But what should he be charged with? Technically, I don't think it's treason. Espionage? Is there anything the NSA can do to make this happening again much less likely? These Euros ... I tell you, you can't live with them, you can't live without them ...

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    BHO is on the right side of the NSA-Snowden kerfluffle. My hypocrisy meter was in the red zone all day hearing the Euros' comments.
    one more thing Jack ... from your experience, what do you think is and isn't appropriate for the NSA or other gov't entity to do to protect us ... serious question ...

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    LOL ... But what should he be charged with? Technically, I don't think it's treason. Espionage? Is there anything the NSA can do to make this happening again much less likely? These Euros ... I tell you, you can't live with them, you can't live without them ...
    I suspect they'll start with treason and use it as leverage to plea bargain "down" to a loooong prison sentence.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    one more thing Jack ... from your experience, what do you think is and isn't appropriate for the NSA or other gov't entity to do to protect us ... serious question ...
    There is almost no way to have that discussion in this forum. My short, unclassified answer would be "a lot."
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    F yeah....

    So who is going to defend this (if it proves to be true)?
    Quite honestly, I am far less concerned with the government spying on other nations than I am the government spying on us. I expect the government to spy on others, but they are restricted from spying on us.
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