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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The relevant news report can be found at: NSA Spied on European Union Offices - SPIEGEL ONLINE

    If this information is accurate, it is deeply troubling. It is difficult to imagine that bugging EU diplomatic offices serves any legitimate counterterrorism purpose. This is a matter that Congress should investigate thoroughly with the findings made public, as it involves possible activities directed against longstanding strategic U.S. allies. At the same time, should Congress find credible evidence of such activities, it might be useful for Congress to act to suspend the entire program until its scope, breadth, and targets are fully identified and adequate safeguards can be put in place.
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    We would by replacing them all at the polls. Every single one.


    Thanks for the laugh.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    We would by replacing them all at the polls. Every single one.
    That wouldn't fix it.

    The new guys just be corrupted by the REST of the government.

    I'm being a bit cynical here, aren't I....
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month: report

    America!! America!!!!!! MerikA!!!!! MERIKA!!!!!

    F yeah....

    So who is going to defend this (if it proves to be true)?
    I don't know why anyone would find this to be particularly surprising. Espionage, even among allies, is hardly anything new.

    It's simply how the game is played. The only difference this time is that we happen to have gotten caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That wouldn't fix it.

    The new guys just be corrupted by the REST of the government.

    I'm being a bit cynical here, aren't I....
    No, not really. Realistic is the appropriate word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    No, not really. Realistic is the appropriate word.
    Only way to rid government of corruption for....perhaps a day or so, at most...

    Step 1: Remove from office/job every single person elected to, employed by, or subcontracted to the government.

    Step 2: In some completely random way, select new persons for the available positions from a pool consisting of every single person on the planet. Qualification tests could be corrupted.

    But corruption would set in inside a day or so, so the whole exercise would be futile and an insane waste of money.

    A much less lofty goal might be to rid the government of all corruption that that causes harm beyond some threshold...Still damned lofty goal though.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    If you want to stop it, boycott General Motors cars until it is stopped. All US policy begins or ends with GM.
    i want a bimmer anyway.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How about not worry about Ariz. as you are in the land which gave us a comedian as a Senator. Have not seen his outrage. So let's get rid of Al the Clown!
    Franken was a vocal opponent of indefinite detention, and he is also a vocal supporter of more transparency. Let's be honest: you don't have a clue what Franken does and doesn't stand for.

    Here's from the oft-quoted Huffington Post, in an article where Franken expressed opinions on both sides of the fence. But when it comes to actually doing something about it? Well, he is.

    Franken is also advocating for increased transparency. He's part of a bipartisan group of senators now pushing a bill to declassify secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) surveillance rulings.

    The bill, introduced on Tuesday, would declassify legal opinions that have been used to justify the NSA's broad surveillance programs.

    During a Sunday appearance on WCCO, Franken called for more transparency in the programs, calling the public outrage over the surveillance "inevitable."

    "As chairman of the Privacy, Technology and Law subcommittee, probably no one looks at the right to privacy more than me," Franken said. "We have to draw a balance between the government's responsibility to protect Americans and also Americans' right to privacy. I know very well that people looked at these reports and said, 'What in the world is going on?' They want to know how this data is used."
    So there you go. I'm certainly not ashamed of my senator. McCain, however, is the absolute worst.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Only way to rid government of corruption for....perhaps a day or so, at most...

    Step 1: Remove from office/job every single person elected to, employed by, or subcontracted to the government.

    Step 2: In some completely random way, select new persons for the available positions from a pool consisting of every single person on the planet. Qualification tests could be corrupted.

    But corruption would set in inside a day or so, so the whole exercise would be futile and an insane waste of money.

    A much less lofty goal might be to rid the government of all corruption that that causes harm beyond some threshold...Still damned lofty goal though.
    There is no escaping it. It is a people thing compounded by various systems, like the Intelligence Community, national security, vital interests, etc.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hmmm. I'm the one usually accused of Tea Party membership, and I'm the one defending BHO. I'm not insulted by the Tea Party label either. You may need to revise your stereotypes.
    If I had known that you were going to read my post to another poster, I would not have been as subtle and playful as I was ... but you defending BHO on what? Normally you're accusing him of one thing or another ...

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    The man who was to bring respect from the world to the US. Pfffft.
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