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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month: report

    So who is going to defend this (if it proves to be true)?
    I'm not going to defend it, but I will point a few huge fingers at congress. It's not first or foremost a partisan issue. It's an issue, to me, of the checks and balances system not working. Congress should be able to put a stop to this, but they're not doing it. Well, maybe that isn't surprising because they're really the ones who got this ball rolling. Members of congress know (and already knew when we found out) what's happening and they're not putting a stop to it! Mr. Smith is nowhere to be found, apparently.

    The most ardent supporter of this kind of garbage is McCain. McCain is the guy who, time and time again, does the whole "this is a war" schtick. What congress needs to do is repeal the entire authorization nonsense (the AUMF). Every time the White House or Congress wants to do something illegal, they justify it by pointing at the AUMF and showing that these kind of tactics were legal when used against the Axis during WWI and WWII, so it should be legal when used against terrorists now. I'm guessing we all know this, but there is no state called Terrorististan. Without an enemy defined by borders or a common language or even arguably a common cause, the government's powers are being applied to everyone.

    We're not going to see change happen in the White House. Every president strives for more power. This change has to happen in congress, and if that's not happening, we need to get rid of 'em. Get rid of McCain, Arizona. Please.
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    And you thought the world hated Bush At least they feared him, Now the world will hate Obama and not fear him If you going to have some one hate you its better that they fear you also

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    It's exhibit 12,335,562 for the argument that America should just go back to being a country for a while. This global superpower bull**** is more trouble than it's worth.
    Whoa whoa whoa! Buddy! Do you know just how many military companies will be harmed when they aren't selling weapons to kill people around the world which help out other companies their businesses suffer and have to lay people off? I mean, have a heart man!
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I hope this blows up in the Governments' face big-time.

    Bud, it ain't "America" doing this, it is our GOVERNMENT. They've grown beyond our control, and it is past time we took back the keys.
    I kind of agree with this (If you want to know why that is just shoot me a PM and I'll explain it), but that would mean that people would have to get of Twitter and turn off "Toddlers in Tiaras" and get out on the streets and unfortunately, it doesn't seem that people will do that. So many seem content to be lied to by politicians on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I'm not going to defend it, but I will point a few huge fingers at congress. It's not first or foremost a partisan issue. It's an issue, to me, of the checks and balances system not working. Congress should be able to put a stop to this, but they're not doing it. Well, maybe that isn't surprising because they're really the ones who got this ball rolling. Members of congress know (and already knew when we found out) what's happening and they're not putting a stop to it! Mr. Smith is nowhere to be found, apparently.

    The most ardent supporter of this kind of garbage is McCain. McCain is the guy who, time and time again, does the whole "this is a war" schtick. What congress needs to do is repeal the entire authorization nonsense (the AUMF). Every time the White House or Congress wants to do something illegal, they justify it by pointing at the AUMF and showing that these kind of tactics were legal when used against the Axis during WWI and WWII, so it should be legal when used against terrorists now. I'm guessing we all know this, but there is no state called Terrorististan. Without an enemy defined by borders or a common language or even arguably a common cause, the government's powers are being applied to everyone.

    We're not going to see change happen in the White House. Every president strives for more power. This change has to happen in congress, and if that's not happening, we need to get rid of 'em. Get rid of McCain, Arizona. Please.
    The fact that Congress knew about this and didn't put a stop to it only shows that people have it wrong when they say "The system is broken." The system isn't broken. It was designed to work this way.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa! Buddy! Do you know just how many military companies will be harmed when they aren't selling weapons to kill people around the world which help out other companies their businesses suffer and have to lay people off? I mean, have a heart man!
    i'm sure that we can find things for people to do other than making things that kill other people.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    And you thought the world hated Bush At least they feared him, Now the world will hate Obama and not fear him If you going to have some one hate you its better that they fear you also
    Yup, George Bush kept the likes of Vladimir Putin up at night.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    The relevant news report can be found at: NSA Spied on European Union Offices - SPIEGEL ONLINE

    If this information is accurate, it is deeply troubling. It is difficult to imagine that bugging EU diplomatic offices serves any legitimate counterterrorism purpose. This is a matter that Congress should investigate thoroughly with the findings made public, as it involves possible activities directed against longstanding strategic U.S. allies. At the same time, should Congress find credible evidence of such activities, it might be useful for Congress to act to suspend the entire program until its scope, breadth, and targets are fully identified and adequate safeguards can be put in place.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
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    America!! America!!!!!! MerikA!!!!! MERIKA!!!!!

    F yeah....

    So who is going to defend this (if it proves to be true)?
    Hey, it's no problem, just metadata.
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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    I'd bet the US has active spying programs in every country on earth, and is tapping phones in same.

    I'd also bet that every other country with the means to do so is...also doing so.

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    Re: U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month:

    This is similar to other "scandals" surrounding the Obama administration at this time. In this case, it's not so much that the data mining is so pervasive, it's that the government hasn't been honest with the American people since this story broke.

    The Obama administration has been blatantly dishonest about so many things that this doesn't seem as surprising as all these things pile up. This one is no longer just a national security issue, and it's no longer just an embarrassment to President Obama who appears powerless with his pronouncements that no one is listening too - this is now an embarrassment for the American people.
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