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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well who is the wiser, the court, or the man who is the father of the constitution.
    Wrong question. The right question is Who has the authority to decide what the constitution means? Answer: the SC, by the very terms of the Constitution. So the "father" was wise enough to have a procedure to determine these questions, in an adversarial court proceeding, rather than mining the quotes of dead people (i.e., your favorite method).

    And if we don't like the results of the procedure, we can always amend the Constitution with a supermajority. Deal with it.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    so the court was given power to change word meanings then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Business as usual, indeed. I said 2+2. You shout 7!
    Can you provide the link and post number on this thread where I did that?

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so the court was given power to change word meanings then?
    Whether the court was given the power,or seized the power,they just did.
    That are you going to do about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so the court was given power to change word meanings then?
    Hey kids, look, he's pretending interpretation of a law in a legal proceeding, means "changing word meanings". How clever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Hey kids, look, he's pretending interpretation of a law in a legal proceeding, means "changing word meanings". How clever!
    You as a supposed lawyer know better. That is precisely how the meaning of words and phrases are changed, especially in the realm of politics.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Can you provide the link and post number on this thread where I did that?
    Sure. Just back up a few posts to number #517. What I said (and you quoted) accompanied by your non sequitur. It's like we weren't even having the same conversation.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Did I disagree with you?
    I stated that you are correct.
    Now tell me what in Reality has changed just because you happen to be correct?

    Bill of rights....rights of the people

    1st amendment......"congress shall make no law" .......translated to now.......congress and the .......states shall make no laws


    general welfare...powers of government 18

    many of the duties of congress have been expanded.....becuase its been translated into ...social duties, commerce duties ,immigration duties, environmental duties and others
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    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Hey kids, look, he's pretending interpretation of a law in a legal proceeding, means "changing word meanings". How clever!
    remember.... i love you man, your the best! at keeping libertarians going.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Whether the court was given the power,or seized the power,they just did.
    That are you going to do about it?
    Well, there's nothing we can do about it. The court very carefully laid the foundations for their power grab. This is why we're exactly where Jefferson and the other founders warned us of:

    to Spencer Roane in 1819:

    "In denying the right [the Supreme Court usurps] of exclusively explaining the Constitution, I go further than [others] do, if I understand rightly [this] quotation from the Federalist of an opinion that 'the judiciary is the last resort in relation to the other departments of the government, but not in relation to the rights of the parties to the compact under which the judiciary is derived.' If this opinion be sound, then indeed is our Constitution a complete felo de se[act of suicide]. For intending to establish three departments, coordinate and independent, that they might check and balance one another, it has given, according to this opinion, to one of them alone the right to prescribe rules for the government of the others, and to that one, too, which is unelected by and independent of the nation. For experience has already shown that the impeachment it has provided is not even a scare-crow... The Constitution on this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."

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