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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Court ruled; doesn't violate the constitution.
    the courts rulings change with the way the winds blows, the constitution remains constant in its textual meanings, like a rock!

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the courts rulings change with the way the winds blows, the constitution remains constant in its textual meanings, like a rock!
    Not quite.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the courts rulings change with the way the winds blows, the constitution remains constant in its textual meanings, like a rock!
    Sorry but no. If the constitution remained constant in its textual meanings there wouldn't be such different rulings. So the constitution, despite conservatives objections, remains a living and breathing document and not set in stone as it can be changed and amended.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the courts rulings change with the way the winds blows, the constitution remains constant in its textual meanings, like a rock!
    Wrong. Even the founding fathers recognized that the Constitution must evolve with changing technology and changing society:

    "I am certainly not an advocate for for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Wrong. Even the founding fathers recognized that the Constitution must evolve with changing technology and changing society:

    "I am certainly not an advocate for for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
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    you missed this (textual meaning)........if it says we are the right to bare arms, has that changed in over 200 years........no

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry but no. If the constitution remained constant in its textual meanings there wouldn't be such different rulings. So the constitution, despite conservatives objections, remains a living and breathing document and not set in stone as it can be changed and amended.
    sorry no ..the constitution of the founders, has not changed, becuase the founders, left us with what it means, its only the courts who want to keep changing the meaning, but the text is still there, and what the founders say it means.

    example: the constitution says this.."To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"

    the court says this gives government the power to regulate all commerce, that's false, the constitution says AMONG THE SEVERAL STATES, it gave congress no power inside the states to regulate, even the founders say this, in federalist papers.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no ..the constitution of the founders, has not changed, becuase the founders, left us with what it means, its only the courts who want to keep changing the meaning, but the text is still there, and what the founders say it means.

    example: the constitution says this.."To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"

    the court says this gives government the power to regulate all commerce, that's false, the constitution says AMONG THE SEVERAL STATES, it gave congress no power inside the states to regulate, even the founders say this, in federalist papers.
    Hmmm well let's see. We have you, a random Internet poster on a message board and many other judges that have dealt differently. I think I'll take their view of the constitution over the view of some random anonymous Internet message board poster such as yourself.

    But please continue acting like your view actually means something ok? It at least gives me a laugh.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Hmmm well let's see. We have you, a random Internet poster on a message board and many other judges that have dealt differently. I think I'll take their view of the constitution over the view of some random anonymous Internet message board poster such as yourself.

    But please continue acting like your view actually means something ok? It at least gives me a laugh.
    well who is the wiser, the court, or the man who is the father of the constitution.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well who is the wiser, the court, or the man who is the father of the constitution.
    Who is still alive today to deal with it?
    A judge or the father the constitution?

    If you have means of contacting a 200 year plus dead founding father to clarify what is meant in the constitution please share with the rest of us.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well who is the wiser, the court, or the man who is the father of the constitution.
    As Jefferson points out....the founding fathers were not the fools that the so-called "strict constructionists" would have you believe. They clearly anticipated changes in technology and social mores which is the entire reason we have the Supreme Court of the United States. If the founding fathers had anticipated a rigid unchanging document, there would be no need for the Court.
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