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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    yeah, but the voice of the people is supreme
    The rights and liberties of the individual are supreme, and the majority can be damned if they desire to infringe upon that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Prop 8 was democratically passed.

    This is just another example of how anti-democratic progressives actually are.
    Pure democracy is stupid and nothing more than mob rule. The demands of the majority must be tempered by the rights and liberties of the minority. I'm sure that as a libertarian, you understand this concept.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    no it proves the point that over a few thousands of years of civilized history you can only find two examples of gay marriage, and the two examples you give were lunatic maniacs. How does that make anyone want to jump on board as far as historical precedence goes
    When did anyone ask me to post the entire history of same sex marriage?

    History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Christianity has had it out for same sex marriage for thousands of years.
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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No they weren't. They were both struck down after decades of fighting them under the 14th Amendment, put in place right after the Civil War. Those laws weren't struck down until the 1960s.
    You do understand "Jim Crow laws" preexisted the Equal Protection Clause - the same clause that was used to justify your examples?

    Understand?

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You do understand "Jim Crow laws" preexisted the Equal Protection Clause - the same clause that was used to justify your examples?

    Understand?
    Which means what exactly? Jim Crow laws, segregation, and bans on interracial marriage all survived constitutional challenges at least once each after the EPC/14th Amendment was ratified.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And you know what?

    Those laws were changed because the constitution was amended or addendums were added to preexisting amendments.
    No it wasn't. The SCOTUS ruled that interracial couples could not be prohibited from marriage. Kinda of like what's going on now.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And you know what?

    Those laws were changed because the constitution was amended or addendums were added to preexisting amendments.
    False. Anti-miscegenation laws were ended by Loving v Virginia. Segregation in schools was ended by Brown v Board of Education. Two of the most famous Supreme Court decisions in the history of our country.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Furthermore if Prop 8 was so damn illegal then how the hell did it even make it on the ballot? got an answer for that?
    People put unconstitutional legislation on the ballot all the time. I'm guessing mostly by people who don't understand the constitution any better than you do.

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    Why not amend the constitution??
    Because the current constitution comports to the interests of people who didn't like prop 8. Changing it would be redundant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    oh yeah because gay marriage would NEVER pass
    Um... it already has passed in Vermont, New Hampshire, DC, New York, Washington, Maine, Maryland, Rhode Island, Delaware and Minnesota.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Pure democracy is stupid and nothing more than mob rule. The demands of the majority must be tempered by the rights and liberties of the minority. I'm sure that as a libertarian, you understand this concept.
    I'd rather have direct democracy than a democratic republic......

    Furthermore all democracy is nothing more than "mob rule" - that's why we have a Bill of Rights and constitution. Presently marriage is not a ****ing right - therefore marriage can be defined by the state via the Tenth Amendment.

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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'd rather have direct democracy than a democratic republic......

    Furthermore all democracy is nothing more than "mob rule" - that's why we have a Bill of Rights and constitution. Presently marriage is not a ****ing right - therefore marriage can be defined by the state via the Tenth Amendment.
    I wonder if anyone who favors a direct democracy would be fine with their judge being selected by a lottery.
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    Re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'd rather have direct democracy than a democratic republic......
    Wow....don't know what to say about that. There is no protection of rights and liberties in a direct democracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Furthermore all democracy is nothing more than "mob rule" - that's why we have a Bill of Rights and constitution. Presently marriage is not a ****ing right - therefore marriage can be defined by the state via the Tenth Amendment.
    It's exactly mob rule. 50% + epsilon gets your way. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution is meaningless in a direct democracy which can be empowered with a simple majority. In a democratic Republic, the government is restricted in what it can and cannot do, so even if the majority wishes to subject the rest to slavery; the government cannot do it.

    Marriage in and of itself is not a right, but contract is. And when government usurped marriage, they turned it into government issued and recognized contract.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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