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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You don't seem to understand. The supreme law of this country is the Constitution, which requires an Amendment, done through a supermajority, to change. And laws must show that they do not violate the Constitution once challenged. Laws on marriage which restrict access to it based on a person's sex/gender in relation to another person violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution because the state cannot show a legitimate state interest is furthered by restricting marriage to opposite sex couples only or from those people who are of the same sex.
    I assure you, I understand.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    It is interesting to me that liberals think the world is fair for the most part, or that humans are basically "good" inside. There are countless examples of the genocide of millions of human beings based on the meanest criteria.
    I personally believe in an absolute Truth. God. An absolute authority. That is my point, not a fear of a falling sky. If we are reliant only on the choice of the majority or even super-majority, then Hitler was not ultimately bad nor wrong, he was simply not popular enough.
    The point is not that those of us for same sex marriage or gay rights believe that the world is fair or has ever been fair. We want to push to make the world more fair for everyone. Or at least that is one of my goals.

    And this has nothing to do with what you believe God wants. I believe God loves gay people and has no issue with their relationships at all. The truth is that you cannot prove me wrong, here, right now, in this life.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Tell me something they are pushing for that you wouldn't also get the right to do/for as well.

    Heterosexuals can be fired for their sexuality the same as homosexuals can. Hate crime laws will apply to heterosexuals too. If they are the target of a crime just based on animosity toward their sexuality, then they can receive the same judicial benefits placed on their attackers.
    Sorry.I have never heard of a heterosexual being fired for being straight..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Sorry.I have never heard of a heterosexual being fired for being straight..
    Doesn't matter if you've never heard of it, it can still happen, but is still protected against with laws that include sexuality as protected against a reason to fire or not hire a person.

    The fact that it doesn't happen enough (if it ever has) that you have never heard of it, should tell you that right now straight people are much more likely to unjustly fire someone based on their choice of spouse/person to be in a relationship with than people of other sexualities.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter if you've never heard of it, it can still happen, but is still protected against with laws that include sexuality as protected against a reason to fire or not hire a person.

    The fact that it doesn't happen enough (if it ever has) that you have never heard of it, should tell you that right now straight people are much more likely to unjustly fire someone based on their choice of spouse/person to be in a relationship with than people of other sexualities.
    This post is rubbish..

    Boss ''I am firing you because you are heterosexual''

    Eh??..

    We had our first gay manager six months ago..he got fired because he could not control his basic instincts..

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Yes..I do accept that homosexuals have the right to ''marry''

    Two people who love each other should have the right..

    However..I can't help feeling uncomfortable about it..
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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    This post is rubbish..

    Boss ''I am firing you because you are heterosexual''

    Eh??..

    We had our first gay manager six months ago..he got fired because he could not control his basic instincts..
    It's not "rubbish". It is the truth, no matter what you have seen or believe about these laws. The laws will be applied equally, regardless of sexuality. How often do you see cases of white people being fired because they are white? How often do you see cases of men being fired because they are men? I'd bet not very often, but when laws were made against firing people on the basis of their race or gender, they still applied to these potential cases. The same is true with laws against sexuality being used as a reason to fire someone.

    If he was doing something wrong (such as hitting on people at work or doing something inappropriate at work), he deserved to be fired. If he simply was in a same sex relationship outside of work and was fired because others felt that being in a same sex relationship constituted not being able to "control his basic instincts", then that was wrong.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The point is not that those of us for same sex marriage or gay rights believe that the world is fair or has ever been fair. We want to push to make the world more fair for everyone. Or at least that is one of my goals.

    And this has nothing to do with what you believe God wants. I believe God loves gay people and has no issue with their relationships at all. The truth is that you cannot prove me wrong, here, right now, in this life.

    I applaud your goals. It is what God would want. God does love gay people. He loves all of us. Whether he has issues about particular choices we make, it would depend which god you are talking about. My God makes it clear.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's not "rubbish". It is the truth, no matter what you have seen or believe about these laws. The laws will be applied equally, regardless of sexuality. How often do you see cases of white people being fired because they are white? How often do you see cases of men being fired because they are men? I'd bet not very often, but when laws were made against firing people on the basis of their race or gender, they still applied to these potential cases. The same is true with laws against sexuality being used as a reason to fire someone.

    If he was doing something wrong (such as hitting on people at work or doing something inappropriate at work), he deserved to be fired. If he simply was in a same sex relationship outside of work and was fired because others felt that being in a same sex relationship constituted not being able to "control his basic instincts", then that was wrong.
    Yep..he was in a same sex relationship but apparently could not stop himself from sexually harassing people who were not gay!

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter if you've never heard of it, it can still happen, but is still protected against with laws that include sexuality as protected against a reason to fire or not hire a person.

    The fact that it doesn't happen enough (if it ever has) that you have never heard of it, should tell you that right now straight people are much more likely to unjustly fire someone based on their choice of spouse/person to be in a relationship with than people of other sexualities.
    You might think so, and I'm sure it happens, but it isn't an attribute an any anti-gay person exclusively. If we are going anecdotal: I worked formerly for a rather large company. One business unit within the company had primarily gay management heads and was made up primarily of gays. This seems to suggest a prejudice, as it wasn't indicative of the % of gays in the population at large, nor of the particular part of the business.

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