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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It is not up to me to disprove the existence of harm. Even if it were, I cannot prove a negative. You have to prove the positive.

    You have to show a reason why someone else's rights should be restricted. The Prop 8 supporters had a chance to do this on a national stage before the Supreme Court. They failed. Asked directly what harm was caused by two dudes getting married, their lawyer was unable to articulate a reason.



    Not entirely true. In the United States, our constitutional framework is designed specifically to prevent a "tyranny of the majority."


    Not really relevant. We live in America, not this theoretical construct of yours.



    I am not asking you to prove a negative. Your statement of fact indicates you have reviewed studies that attempted to show harm caused, with negative results.

    Preventing "tyranny of the majority" is not an action based on what some large group of people believe to be a bad thing?

    The Godless World I mentioned is not our physical world, it is a description of the state of mind for those to which it would apply.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Yes..I do accept that homosexuals have the right to ''marry''

    Two people who love each other should have the right..

    However..I can't help feeling uncomfortable about it..
    Good for you. You acknowledge that your personal belief isn't enough to decide someone else's rights. You are not someone I place in the "bigot" category, because you are not advocating that the US government treat homosexuals differently solely based on your personal moral opinion.

    You should, however, do a little self-analysis on why you are uncomfortable about it. You've said it doesn't affect you in any way. So why care?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    I am not asking you to prove a negative. Your statement of fact indicates you have reviewed studies that attempted to show harm caused, with negative results.

    Preventing "tyranny of the majority" is not an action based on what some large group of people believe to be a bad thing?

    The Godless World I mentioned is not our physical world, it is a description of the state of mind for those to which it would apply.
    I have reviewed such studies, yes. The results show positive impacts on society. But that's irrelevant, because it's not up to me to prove why someone should have a right, it's up to you to prove why someone shouldn't. That's the America I believe in.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, in our country, the beliefs of the supermajority are truly the authority on any issue. If an issue is strong enough to win the support of the supermajority to get a Constitutional Amendment put into place, then that belief comes to being part of our most protected laws. This is why our Constitution has generally been used to expand the rights of individuals, not suppress them, because our most largely held beliefs revolve around individual freedom and rights to not be suppressed by the government, aka the simple majority. It hasn't gone well when our nation made basic morality a part of that law. Prohibition was one of the biggest mistakes in our country and there was nothing anyone could do about it because it was in our Constitution. So until the supermajority agreed that Prohibition was wrong, the law of the land was Prohibition.
    Your response to my statement appears to be in agreement, but your lead-in seems to indicate otherwise. "largely held beliefs revolve around individual freedom and rights..." For now, right? It's what most folks think is right currently. That was my point.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Really....the oppressed are bigots.....because they do not accept others bigotry?

    That is some weird logic you got there.
    ''The oppressed??''

    Just keep your junk inside a bedroom..

    So gay people cannot be bigots then??

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    "largely held beliefs revolve around individual freedom and rights..." For now, right? It's what most folks think is right currently. That was my point.
    So tell us, in what direction has the trend gone for SSM?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    ''The oppressed??''
    Yes. They are denied a basic civil right.

    Just keep your junk inside a bedroom..
    Are you still mad about Lawrence v. Texas? Because this is about marriage, not about sex. Ask any married man, they aren't the same thing at all! Why do you keep bringing up gay sex all the time?

    So gay people cannot be bigots then??
    Nobody said that. But they aren't bigots for not accepting bigotry from others.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    ''The oppressed??''
    When you are discriminated against, are you not the oppressed?

    Just keep your junk inside a bedroom..
    [snark] stifle yourself and get back in the kitchen, and get me a sandwich and a beer, and make it snappy[/snark]

    So gay people cannot be bigots then??
    Straw, try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. It's all about giving more rights, more freedoms to people who you cannot show do harm, nor interfere with any legitimate state interest.
    Come on..they don't want equal rights..they want superiority..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Come on..they don't want equal rights..they want superiority..
    Horse****. Name one thing they want to have that they don't want you to have.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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