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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    Certainly some could be explained thus, but to insinuate this on every dissenting opinion would be, well, terrible.
    Promoting discrimination solely because of your own moral disapproval of someone makes you a bigot. Sorry if this is offensive to you.

    Maybe you don't think that's the only reason. Maybe you think there's some sort of harm done to other people, yourself, or to society if two dudes get married. If so, please articulate that harm, because it would radically alter my perception of the "pro family" crowd.
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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post

    But having said that..are not gay people Bigots for not accepting the Ant-Gay point of view??
    no

    ............

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nobody is attempting to suppress the rights of "anti-gay" people. That's the ultimate reason you have a losing argument: two dudes getting married does not negatively impact you or society in any way.

    Your personal moral disapproval is not sufficient grounds to deny rights to another person. There's a reason I never got to vote my approval or disapproval of your marriage choice.
    Your statement would seem to indicate some factual proofs. Do you have any?

    In both agree and disagree with the second statement you make, regarding voting your morals. On the one hand, if I can vote your marriage illegal, then theoretically you can also vote mine illegal. It's just a matter of numbers. On the other hand, all of our laws are based on ethical questions. In effect, we do vote on what we allow society to do based on ethical preference.

    In a Godless world "right" seems to boil down to what most folks believe is good. Logically, there appears no absolute authority except the belief of the majority.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    "The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."

    But having said that..are not gay people Bigots for not accepting the Ant-Gay point of view??
    No. We don't accept the "anti-gay point of view" out of logic and reason, not an attempt to harm or take rights away from those who do not agree with same sex marriage.
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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nobody is attempting to suppress the rights of "anti-gay" people. That's the ultimate reason you have a losing argument: two dudes getting married does not negatively impact you or society in any way. Your personal moral disapproval is not sufficient grounds to deny rights to another person. There's a reason I never got to vote my approval or disapproval of your marriage choice.
    That would be because when I married it was a holy and personal experience between a man and a woman..

    I didn't say gay people getting married would negatively impact my life actually..

    I just wish they would conduct themselves in a more seemly manner.......

    They have the law behind them..big deal..

    Even the law can't stop people thinking!!

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    no

    ............
    And why would that be..

    Bigotry..

    Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of sexual preferences/race/ etc..

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    Your statement would seem to indicate some factual proofs. Do you have any?
    It is not up to me to disprove the existence of harm. Even if it were, I cannot prove a negative. You have to prove the positive.

    You have to show a reason why someone else's rights should be restricted. The Prop 8 supporters had a chance to do this on a national stage before the Supreme Court. They failed. Asked directly what harm was caused by two dudes getting married, their lawyer was unable to articulate a reason.

    In both agree and disagree with the second statement you make, regarding voting your morals. On the one hand, if I can vote your marriage illegal, then theoretically you can also vote mine illegal. It's just a matter of numbers. On the other hand, all of our laws are based on ethical questions. In effect, we do vote on what we allow society to do based on ethical preference.
    Not entirely true. In the United States, our constitutional framework is designed specifically to prevent a "tyranny of the majority."

    In a Godless world "right" seems to boil down to what most folks believe is good. Logically, there appears no absolute authority except the belief of the majority.
    Not really relevant. We live in America, not this theoretical construct of yours.
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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    Your statement would seem to indicate some factual proofs. Do you have any?

    In both agree and disagree with the second statement you make, regarding voting your morals. On the one hand, if I can vote your marriage illegal, then theoretically you can also vote mine illegal. It's just a matter of numbers. On the other hand, all of our laws are based on ethical questions. In effect, we do vote on what we allow society to do based on ethical preference.

    In a Godless world "right" seems to boil down to what most folks believe is good. Logically, there appears no absolute authority except the belief of the majority.
    Actually, in our country, the beliefs of the supermajority are truly the authority on any issue. If an issue is strong enough to win the support of the supermajority to get a Constitutional Amendment put into place, then that belief comes to being part of our most protected laws. This is why our Constitution has generally been used to expand the rights of individuals, not suppress them, because our most largely held beliefs revolve around individual freedom and rights to not be suppressed by the government, aka the simple majority. It hasn't gone well when our nation made basic morality a part of that law. Prohibition was one of the biggest mistakes in our country and there was nothing anyone could do about it because it was in our Constitution. So until the supermajority agreed that Prohibition was wrong, the law of the land was Prohibition.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    That would be because when I married it was a holy and personal experience between a man and a woman..

    I didn't say gay people getting married would negatively impact my life actually..

    I just wish they would conduct themselves in a more seemly manner.......

    They have the law behind them..big deal..

    Even the law can't stop people thinking!!
    So you support the right of homosexuals to marry?


    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    And why would that be..

    Bigotry..

    Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of sexual preferences/race/ etc..
    Is quibbling over semantics your idea of a compelling argument for denying people rights?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: To cheers, same-sex marriages resume in California [W:381]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Promoting discrimination solely because of your own moral disapproval of someone makes you a bigot. Sorry if this is offensive to you.

    Maybe you don't think that's the only reason. Maybe you think there's some sort of harm done to other people, yourself, or to society if two dudes get married. If so, please articulate that harm, because it would radically alter my perception of the "pro family" crowd.
    We all promote discrimination of others based on our personal moral code. This is how we create any law. You seem to assume that those who would vote against a man marrying a man are somehow bigoted.

    I don't speak for the pro family crowd, just myself. I do believe that same sex choices harm the individual, and society, but that is my opinion. To articulate that harm would take considerable time. You can begin to search it yourself. If you haven't, it would seem incumbent on you to do so prior to your voting it either way.
    There are a thousand legal things people can do that harm themselves and society.
    It's just the way it is. God gave us free will. Let the circus begin.

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