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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    Was a conservative group's status taken away? Was it warranted? Let's
    take Rove's Crossroads group, clearly a partisan political group ... was its 501(c)(4) status revoked? Make sure you don't do this prematurely as well Fenton ... I'll wait until everything is in to make a judgment (I just wish Issa wasn't involved since anything he touches is dirty), and suggest you do the same. And let's be honest, this too is about Obama, and Issa is trying hard to connect him to it. Wouldn't it be funny if we find that under Bush liberal groups were scrutinized more closely than conservative groups? But you have an advantage over me Fenton ... even if the evidence in the end contradicts you and your friend Grand Theft Auto Issa, it won't matter will it? Anyway, while there appears to be bias in who was targeted by the IRS, I'm willing to wager that conservative groups are more likely than liberal groups to violate their status. We'll see what happens, and I'd be interested in knowing whether there had been periods when liberal groups were unfairly targeted -- neither of which would be right, as it would not be right to give this status to groups who do not deserve it. Have a good day, and I hope you've learned something from my post and that you take my advice and slow down ...
    Lol !

    You can keep your "wisdom" backed by blind allegiance and generic ignorance. There is nothing you could teach me.

    You purposely ignore pertinent information and construct a fairy tale world where the IRS didn't do anything wrong and applied their targeting evenly to all political groups.

    You ignore the leaked donor list, the Commissioners statement that there was no evidence Progressive groups were treated unfairly, Lerner's planted question so she could lie about the front line agents in Cinci, her taking the Fifth, the multiple letters signed by her that went out to Conservative groups, the multiple letters signed by Carter Hull that directy contradict Lerners LIE that this was isolated to the Cinci office.

    When I want a line of Bull Sh** that includes a bunch of pathetic Bush Blame and just loads of flat out innacurate information I'll ask you because its ALL you have to offer.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only thing the 5th Amendment does is protect you from incriminating yourself.
    And since there is no power in the constitution for the govt to compel you to speak, the 10th amendment reserves that right to the people.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, the government cannot 'make her talk' but she can longer invoke the fifth because she has already testified. You cannot make statements in court, which she did, and then invoke the fifth. It's curious why the Democrats would want her to remain silent.
    There is no such exception in the constitution. Your rights are unalieanble and can not be waived without your consent, at whatever time you choose.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I wouldn't be flattered when exposed so.....But I look forward to your response.
    Exposed? LOL ... at least you have a sense of humor ... still, I know that writing all of those words, especially stringing them together into sentences was not easy for you, so I'm appreciative ... (I also forgot to tell you that you don't have to refer to me as "sir" ... WD -- as in Weapons of Mass Destruction without the middle initial -- is good enough) ...

    Anyway, now that I have a little time, it turns out there was less to respond to than at first met the eye ... I was fooled by all the words ...

    First, I asked if a group's status was taken away because the poster I responded to suggested it had been ...

    Second, on the scrutiny, and this refers to one your later points, it appears that this time the right may have been scrutinized more, and I acknowledged that -- BUT, I think the IRS should scrutinize them and organizations on the left much more than they do -

    Third, you're suggesting that the Obama campaign and administration used the IRS to target their political opponents? Kinda like the stuff Issa does, selectively releasing transcripts ... BTW, who was running the Cinn. IRS office during this time? A liberal Democrat? A Conservative Republican? Do you know?

    Fourth, are you suggesting that Issa can be trusted to run a fair investigation? That alone should disqualify you from posting on DebatePolitics. For one thing, you don't begin with Obama did it, as Issa, you, and other cons think an investiogation should be conducted .... investigate, no innuendo along the way, and when you're done, report on what you found ...

    Bush a progressive? Really? O.K. ... I'll leave that one alone and consider it a self-inflicted wound to your post ...

    Weak man? LOL ... listen, if you want to hitch your wagon to one of Issa's stolen cars, knock yourself out ...

    BTW, where you see irony, there is no irony ... but I've seen this before from people who think they're a lot more clever than they are ...

    My interest in wanting to know if this has happened in the past is to see if there are any hypocrites in our midst ... I can't judge the now because we still don't have all of the data and Issa is messing this up too in his personal vendetta against the President ...

    I say what I mean, but if you know better what I'm thinking, O.K. ...

    What avitar? I didn't know I had one. What do you mean by "hides their lean?" I'm sorry that you think I'm disingenuous (I guess I'm being disingenuous by saying that, aren't I?) -- but as I said, "sir" is not necessary ... you and I are old friends now ...

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !

    You can keep your "wisdom" backed by blind allegiance and generic ignorance. There is nothing you could teach me.

    You purposely ignore pertinent information and construct a fairy tale world where the IRS didn't do anything wrong and applied their targeting evenly to all political groups.

    You ignore the leaked donor list, the Commissioners statement that there was no evidence Progressive groups were treated unfairly, Lerner's planted question so she could lie about the front line agents in Cinci, her taking the Fifth, the multiple letters signed by her that went out to Conservative groups, the multiple letters signed by Carter Hull that directy contradict Lerners LIE that this was isolated to the Cinci office.

    When I want a line of Bull Sh** that includes a bunch of pathetic Bush Blame and just loads of flat out innacurate information I'll ask you because its ALL you have to offer.
    sorry you're unteachable, but see my response to your champion, J-Mac ... take care and good luck with your witch hunts (sometimes these threads sound like late 17th century Salem), wars against women, voters, the poor and working class, and immigrants ...

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    sorry you're unteachable, but see my response to your champion, J-Mac ...
    take care and good luck with your witch hunts (sometimes these threads sound like late 17th century Salem), wars against women, voters, the poor and working class, and immigrants ...
    Teach what ? You don't posess any wisdom.

    Your typical post paraphrased follows.

    The IRS did nothing wrong..talking points, talking points , talking points, witch-hunt, Obama's great, bad stuff Bush's fault, talking points, talking points and opinions, opinions.

    Now I already knew you were going to spout off a bunch of nonsense, platitudes and talking points before you showed up here lowering the collective IQ of your left wing ilk 10. points.

    So you have nothing to teach me because your speil is highly expected

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    Exposed? LOL ... at least you have a sense of humor ... still, I know that writing all of those words, especially stringing them together into sentences was not easy for you, so I'm appreciative ... (I also forgot to tell you that you don't have to refer to me as "sir" ... WD -- as in Weapons of Mass Destruction without the middle initial -- is good enough) ...

    Anyway, now that I have a little time, it turns out there was less to respond to than at first met the eye ... I was fooled by all the words ...

    First, I asked if a group's status was taken away because the poster I responded to suggested it had been ...

    Second, on the scrutiny, and this refers to one your later points, it appears that this time the right may have been scrutinized more, and I acknowledged that -- BUT, I think the IRS should scrutinize them and organizations on the left much more than they do -

    Third, you're suggesting that the Obama campaign and administration used the IRS to target their political opponents? Kinda like the stuff Issa does, selectively releasing transcripts ... BTW, who was running the Cinn. IRS office during this time? A liberal Democrat? A Conservative Republican? Do you know?

    Fourth, are you suggesting that Issa can be trusted to run a fair investigation? That alone should disqualify you from posting on DebatePolitics. For one thing, you don't begin with Obama did it, as Issa, you, and other cons think an investiogation should be conducted .... investigate, no innuendo along the way, and when you're done, report on what you found ...

    Bush a progressive? Really? O.K. ... I'll leave that one alone and consider it a self-inflicted wound to your post ...

    Weak man? LOL ... listen, if you want to hitch your wagon to one of Issa's stolen cars, knock yourself out ...

    BTW, where you see irony, there is no irony ... but I've seen this before from people who think they're a lot more clever than they are ...

    My interest in wanting to know if this has happened in the past is to see if there are any hypocrites in our midst ... I can't judge the now because we still don't have all of the data and Issa is messing this up too in his personal vendetta against the President ...

    I say what I mean, but if you know better what I'm thinking, O.K. ...

    What avitar? I didn't know I had one. What do you mean by "hides their lean?" I'm sorry that you think I'm disingenuous (I guess I'm being disingenuous by saying that, aren't I?) -- but as I said, "sir" is not necessary ... you and I are old friends now ...

    Well, It is truly too bad that your talent of expressing yourself in words is wasted on progressive propaganda, and blind allegiance to protecting those that would break the law, gladly in your mind because your political opponents must deserve it, because they disagree with you. I can only assume you are a young man, because the arrogance is rarely seen in those of us that have lived long enough to see. Finally, You hate Issa, we get it, it's noted, as is your defense of wanting to stifle an investigation, and support lying to congress.

    Friends? hmmmmm....don't know you, so I can't say if I think you are a friend or not...Based on our limited exchange, my guess is not.
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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Teach what ? You don't posess any wisdom.

    Your typical post paraphrased follows.

    The IRS did nothing wrong..talking points, talking points , talking points, witch-hunt, Obama's great, bad stuff Bush's fault, talking points, talking points and opinions, opinions.

    Now I already knew you were going to spout off a bunch of nonsense, platitudes and talking points before you showed up here lowering the collective IQ of your left wing ilk 10. points.

    So you have nothing to teach me because your speil is highly expected
    you must've written bad papers in school because your paraphrasing skills stink ... but I can help you with that as well ... let me know ...

    I lowered the IQ for the left ilk only 10 Points? Normally I lower it 15 in order to be able to talk with you, so this is good news for both of us, but moreso for you ...

    Were you expecting this post?

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, It is truly too bad that your talent of expressing yourself in words is wasted on progressive propaganda, and blind allegiance to protecting those that would break the law, gladly in your mind because your political opponents must deserve it, because they disagree with you. I can only assume you are a young man, because the arrogance is rarely seen in those of us that have lived long enough to see. Finally, You hate Issa, we get it, it's noted, as is your defense of wanting to stifle an investigation, and support lying to congress.

    Friends? hmmmmm....don't know you, so I can't say if I think you are a friend or not...Based on our limited exchange, my guess is not.
    this has to be one of the shortest friendships I've ever had ... but it was good while it lasted ...

    J, you and Fenton seem to have a difficult time understanding other posters' posts ... but I'm going to leave it there if it's O.K. with you ...

    I'm screwing around with the arrogance stuff, but thank you for thinking me much younger than I am ... a lot of people tell me I look younger than what I am ...

    Hate Issa? I don't hate Issa - he's not worth the trouble hate requires ... Are you an Obama hater? If you are, that might help to explain why you think I hate Issa. It's not always about hate my former friend ...

    take care ... but we do agree that if someone used the power of the IRS to go after groups unfairly, they should be held accountable -- and that has started to happen ... BTW, was it a conservative Republican IRS employee who started this extra scrutiny of con organizations? That's what I read somewhere ... Can you confirm that? You seem to be following this very closely ...

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And since there is no power in the constitution for the govt to compel you to speak, the 10th amendment reserves that right to the people.
    Yes there is. It' called contempt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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