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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Commissioner stated NO progressive groups were harrassed, denied their status, had their donor list released illegally.

    You need to snap out of your latest psychosis.

    Hey, why don't you name one of those Progressive groups that were denied and harrassed.
    Was a conservative group's status taken away? Was it warranted? Let's take Rove's Crossroads group, clearly a partisan political group ... was its 501(c)(4) status revoked? Make sure you don't do this prematurely as well Fenton ... I'll wait until everything is in to make a judgment (I just wish Issa wasn't involved since anything he touches is dirty), and suggest you do the same. And let's be honest, this too is about Obama, and Issa is trying hard to connect him to it. Wouldn't it be funny if we find that under Bush liberal groups were scrutinized more closely than conservative groups? But you have an advantage over me Fenton ... even if the evidence in the end contradicts you and your friend Grand Theft Auto Issa, it won't matter will it? Anyway, while there appears to be bias in who was targeted by the IRS, I'm willing to wager that conservative groups are more likely than liberal groups to violate their status. We'll see what happens, and I'd be interested in knowing whether there had been periods when liberal groups were unfairly targeted -- neither of which would be right, as it would not be right to give this status to groups who do not deserve it. Have a good day, and I hope you've learned something from my post and that you take my advice and slow down ...

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It certainly is a legal opinion, and quite a well know legal opinion.
    It's an opinion of a legal matter by a legislature that carries no legal weight.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    Was a conservative group's status taken away?
    This is not the point. Harassment doesn't only become harassment if there is a negative conclusion to the practice.

    Was it warranted?
    Again, side issue here...The IG's audit found that conservative groups were targeted for undue scrutiny. That is a fact.

    Let's take Rove's Crossroads group, clearly a partisan political group ... was its 501(c)(4) status revoked?
    Again, not the point. Do you think that harassment of political opponents is justified in an election season, using a agency like the IRS?

    ... I'll wait until everything is in to make a judgment (I just wish Issa wasn't involved since anything he touches is dirty)
    Obviously, from what I quoted from you above, as well as in this very sentence, in brackets, shows this statement to be untrue.

    And let's be honest, this too is about Obama, and Issa is trying hard to connect him to it.
    Is it wrong in an investigation to try and get to just how high this might have gone? Don't the American people deserve to know that? Or is it just this President you want to put 'off limits' to this oversight?

    Wouldn't it be funny if we find that under Bush liberal groups were scrutinized more closely than conservative groups?
    No. I would find that disappointing, and further evidence to why I consider Bush to have been a "progressive", only within the Republican party.

    ... even if the evidence in the end contradicts you and your friend Grand Theft Auto Issa, it won't matter will it?
    Weak man.....You're not taking sides, just name calling, and using pejorative defense....mmmmmm k, got it.

    Anyway, while there appears to be bias in who was targeted by the IRS...
    Ah well, as long as it is against some group you don't like, all's good.

    I'm willing to wager that conservative groups are more likely than liberal groups to violate their status.
    Now there is some real irony right there....You're judging "bias", while displaying bias yourself in doing so....

    We'll see what happens, and I'd be interested in knowing whether there had been periods when liberal groups were unfairly targeted
    "They did it too" justifications are never an excuse. Why are you not willing to look at the here, and now?

    -- neither of which would be right, as it would not be right to give this status to groups who do not deserve it.
    You don't mean that at all, as evidenced by to body of your post proceeding this sentence...

    Have a good day, and I hope you've learned something from my post
    I can't speak for Fenton, but I have learned that we have yet another progressive poster, that makes it clear with avitar's, and posts that he is a progressive, spews progressive talking points, but yet hides their lean, and then thinks they are clever. That would not be clever sir, but disingenuous.
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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's an opinion of a legal matter by a legislature that carries no legal weight.
    Do you just not understand what testifying to congress, under oath involves? Or, are you just another trying to turn the rule of law on its head to defend your hero?
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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you just not understand what testifying to congress, under oath involves? Or, are you just another trying to turn the rule of law on its head to defend your hero?
    It's amazing how quickly we go into topics that have absolutely nothing to do with anything.

    The house does not have authority to make a legal determination. That's what the judiciary is for. The Legislature makes laws, the Judiciary interprets the law, and the Executive branch enforces the law.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is not the point. Harassment doesn't only become harassment if there is a negative conclusion to the practice.



    Again, side issue here...The IG's audit found that conservative groups were targeted for undue scrutiny. That is a fact.



    Again, not the point. Do you think that harassment of political opponents is justified in an election season, using a agency like the IRS?



    Obviously, from what I quoted from you above, as well as in this very sentence, in brackets, shows this statement to be untrue.



    Is it wrong in an investigation to try and get to just how high this might have gone? Don't the American people deserve to know that? Or is it just this President you want to put 'off limits' to this oversight?



    No. I would find that disappointing, and further evidence to why I consider Bush to have been a "progressive", only within the Republican party.



    Weak man.....You're not taking sides, just name calling, and using pejorative defense....mmmmmm k, got it.



    Ah well, as long as it is against some group you don't like, all's good.



    Now there is some real irony right there....You're judging "bias", while displaying bias yourself in doing so....



    "They did it too" justifications are never an excuse. Why are you not willing to look at the here, and now?



    You don't mean that at all, as evidenced by to body of your post proceeding this sentence...



    I can't speak for Fenton, but I have learned that we have yet another progressive poster, that makes it clear with avitar's, and posts that he is a progressive, spews progressive talking points, but yet hides their lean, and then thinks they are clever. That would not be clever sir, but disingenuous.
    Wow. I'm flattered - thank you for all the words you took time to type out for me, but unfortunately there's too much here to respond to and I'm on my way out ... but I'll get back to you later when I have a little more time ... for now, let me just suggest to you that you take your own words on bias to heart yourself ... later my friend ...

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's amazing how quickly we go into topics that have absolutely nothing to do with anything.

    The house does not have authority to make a legal determination. That's what the judiciary is for. The Legislature makes laws, the Judiciary interprets the law, and the Executive branch enforces the law.
    I tend to ask questions when the absurdity of a post warrants such....But I understand why you wouldn't want to answer truthfully.
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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    Wow. I'm flattered - thank you for all the words you took time to type out for me, but unfortunately there's too much here to respond to and I'm on my way out ... but I'll get back to you later when I have a little more time ... for now, let me just suggest to you that you take your own words on bias to heart yourself ... later my friend ...
    I wouldn't be flattered when exposed so.....But I look forward to your response.
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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I tend to ask questions when the absurdity of a post warrants such....But I understand why you wouldn't want to answer truthfully.
    Where exactly have I lied? This is kindergarten constitutional separation of powers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The Republicans on the house committee voted that she waived her right to the 5th. It's not a legal opinion of any kind. They could have also voted that she has blue hair, with essentially the same effect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's an opinion of a legal matter by a legislature that carries no legal weight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It's amazing how quickly we go into topics that have absolutely nothing to do with anything.

    The house does not have authority to make a legal determination. That's what the judiciary is for. The Legislature makes laws, the Judiciary interprets the law, and the Executive branch enforces the law.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Where exactly have I lied? This is kindergarten constitutional separation of powers.
    Well, then according to you, why would anyone take the oath? Or for that matter, why would anyone tell the truth to a congressional committee if they carry no force?
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