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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its pretty clear, there is no power in the constitution that allows the govt to make you talk, in any situation.
    The only thing the 5th Amendment does is protect you from incriminating yourself.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, the government cannot 'make her talk' but she can longer invoke the fifth because she has already testified. You cannot make statements in court, which she did, and then invoke the fifth. It's curious why the Democrats would want her to remain silent.
    Because they're scared ****less about how far up the ladder this might go.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That!s true...in a court. She wasn't in court. She said, under oath that there had been no illegal or wrong actvity. Then, she invoked the 5th. She's lying about one, or the other.
    The House clowns threat of criminal prosecution made this a court. The stomping on the rights of the accused must stop, this is America.

    The whole premise is laughable and will never fly. Why should she submit to a fishing expedition by Issa and his fellow clowns? Get a Judge to charge her with something or STFU.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You cannot make a statement to the court claiming your innocence, that you have done nothing wrong, and then plead the fifth, The second IRS employee to plead the fifth got it right and stayed silent, apart from his plead.

    Once she began speaking about the case in open court she then has to accept cross examination. She and her lawyers screwed up. The next IRS agent got it right and I expect the rest will as well.
    So if I say I'm innocent, and then stop talking, this can be construed as evidence of guilt. I just want you to understand that this is the country you live in.

    And the so-called party of small government is cheering this on because it's a Democrat in the chair.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only thing the 5th Amendment does is protect you from incriminating yourself.
    Yes, which is completely useless if your lack of response is evidence of guilt. At that point, why even bother with the whole due process thing at all?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, which is completely useless if your lack of response is evidence of guilt. At that point, why even bother with the whole due process thing at all?
    It reminds me of the old Puritan test for Witches. Throw the woman into the lake and if she drowns she's innocent. If she floats she's a witch and you can burn her.
    It never failed.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    What the progressives either are knowingly being dishonest about here, or just plain don't know, is that Lerner's attorney gave her some pretty bad advice....There were plenty of places, and let me bold this point, AFTER she invoked, and was dismissed to give her unbelievable, snarky, bitchy little statement....She didn't. Her, and her attorney decided to once again, as we see so often today in these hearings, on the scandal of the day, she and her attorney decided to poke a finger in the eye of the American people, and openly either, lie, or go right up to the line of contempt with snarky, obstinate answers that are really just provocations that a witness should be slapped with contempt for.



    Now they have decided to, at some point call Lerner back, and she'll probably invoke again, unless they reach some kind of immunity deal to compel her to talk. But, if she does that, or turns down an immunity deal, then I think at the least congress has to impeach her, and throw her out of her position, or jail her for lying to congress.

    Y'all may not like it, but as usually happens with cocky administrations, Obama, and his cabal of thugs, and criminals screwed the pooch with this one.
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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    I doubt that they'll go after her, but
    who knows with these GOP clowns ... they want to be able to show something for all of their troubles ... turns out the IRS was looking at liberal organizations as well .... hmmmmmm ... it's about time the IRS cracks down on primarily political organizations pretending they're not -- left or right ....
    The Commissioner stated NO progressive groups were harrassed, denied their status, had their donor list released illegally.

    You need to snap out of your latest psychosis.

    Hey, why don't you name one of those Progressive groups that were denied and harrassed.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It reminds me of the old Puritan test for Witches. Throw the
    woman into the lake and if she drowns she's innocent. If she floats she's a witch and you can burn her.
    It never failed.
    LOL !!

    Your'e right about the witch part, the rest of your analogy is desperately hyperbolic.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!

    Your'e right about the witch part, the rest of your analogy is desperately hyperbolic.
    I can picture Lerner standing in front of a caldron, sprinkling in a pinch of newt.....
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