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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You don't seem to understand this. Let me try to help. When you make an affirmative statement, you open yourself up to cross examination regarding that statement. And you don't have the right to silence when being cross examined over a statement YOU made. Because she said she did NOTHING wrong, she actually opened herself up to questioning about everything. If asked, "Did you use a manager's password to access information", you can't take the 5th because you will be directed to answer since this is a direct cross examination and challenge to the statement you already made that you did nothing wrong. Same would go for virtually ANY question about wrongdoing. What remains to be seen is whether they'll hold her feet to the fire. The fire is lit and they have the power to do it.
    I'm not sure how broad and probing one can be regarding such a simple statement. We'll see.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Isn't it amazing that I had to go to Drudge to find the link to this story....Anyway, good! Now get this lying progressive back in front of congress, and get her to start talking....

    Immunity may be the only path to this, but we can see that even the progressive liberals on the committee panel are going to run cover for this corruption.

    Let's get the truth for a change.
    Rediculous. Rights are unalienable. You get to choose when and how you use them, not govt.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    But if you give a statement which included I did nothing wrong before pleading the 5th, you waived your right. You've given an affirmative statement. Thus they can question you on those statements. They could ask her, what do you mean by "I did nothing wrong".
    Show me where it says that in the 5th amendment.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Isn't it amazing that I had to go to Drudge to find the link to this story....Anyway, good! Now get this lying progressive back in front of congress, and get her to start talking....

    Immunity may be the only path to this, but we can see that even the progressive liberals on the committee panel are going to run cover for this corruption.

    Let's get the truth for a change.
    The problem with the Cons is they do not know how to identify a real scandal nor do they have the sense to give on one that has no legs. They are the equivalent of the guy that shows up late for the party when many guests have already left, and then proceeds to want to be the life of the party. Its time for bed.

    Now I certainly understand all this scouting for a good scandal is designed to mask the fact that the Cons do not have a clue how to govern.... so, perhaps you should go back to Benghazi.
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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hey look, another so-called libertarian who is siding with the government on the 5th amendment. Coincidentally, the person being questioned works for a Democrat.

    Here's the thing with the 5th amendment. I can waive it by talking, but I should be able to invoke it at any time to stop talking for any reason. Yes, the IRS official waived the 5th amendment and then invoked it again. The Supreme Court just ruled way, way wrong on this bull**** too when they allowed a criminal suspect's silence to be used as evidence of guilt because he didn't say the magic words out loud. Looking for a police state, America? That's a good place to start.
    Ummm.. if you make an affirmative statement you after you plead the 5th knowing it's a false statement, you've revoked the right. Brogan v. United States would be a good place for you to start. 5th does not protect the right of those being questioned by law enforcement officials to deny wrongdoing if doing so would be a false statement. We know her statement is false. As her lawyer admitted in a letter to the committee that she misled congress and that's why she's invoking her "right".
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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Show me where it says that in the 5th amendment.
    Can a person take the stand and only answer questions from his or her lawyer or make a statement in a court of law without cross examination? You either do it all the way or you don't get that right.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand what you are saying here, but her 9 separate affirmative statements came after she invoked the 5th, rendering her attempt to invoke useless. You can't say 'I refuse to incriminate myself, but I am innocent, and I wasn't involved, etc, etc....'


    It's even funnier when she first said sorry for all the wrong stuff the IRS did under her watch, then pleaded the 5th and THEN said she did nothing wrong.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The idea that there can be a "no backsies" on the 5th amendment is goddamned stupid.
    The idea that there are people out there who defend the IRSs targeting of Americans based on their political affiliation is " goddamned " corrupt.

    Glad to see your'e carrying the water for this low life bitch because her actions squared with your agenda but to everyone else who has a shred of integrity left in them, what she did was unforgivable.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The problem with the Cons is they do not know how to identify a real scandal
    nor do they have the sense to give on one that has no legs. They are the equivalent of the guy that shows up late for the party when many guests have already left, and then proceeds to want to be the life of the party. Its time for bed.

    Now I certainly understand all this scouting for a good scandal is designed to mask the fact that the Cons do not have a clue how to govern.... so, perhaps you should go back to Benghazi.
    Go back to Benghazi ? Benghazi never went away.

    And please give some examples of how your side is doing so well " governing".

    You know, so I can expose your BS.

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    Re: House says IRS official waived rights, contempt possible

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The problem with the Cons is they do not know how to identify a real scandal nor do they have the sense to give on one that has no legs. They are the equivalent of the guy that shows up late for the party when many guests have already left, and then proceeds to want to be the life of the party. Its time for bed.

    Now I certainly understand all this scouting for a good scandal is designed to mask the fact that the Cons do not have a clue how to govern.... so, perhaps you should go back to Benghazi.
    and Watergate was nothing but a petty break in that didn't require any investigation because they caught they guys who did the break in that night. right?

    you want the investigation to end because you are scared what they will find.

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