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Thread: Ecuador's president to U.S.: Don't threaten us on Snowden case

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    Re: Ecuador Stands Up To US

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Call me a romantic idealist, but I would like to think that our laws criminalize actions that are wrong. Which is to say that our laws do NOT criminalize actions that are right and moral.

    I find it wrong that the government, with the assistance of Booz Allen, violates the Fourth Amendment as a regular and widespread practice. I think the Fourth should be respected, along with the rest of the USC.

    So while it is true that Snowden has broken some petty law, by defending the larger principle of constitutional governance, his transgression is easily forgiven.
    I'm not arguing that. But understand that it isn't some petty law. Some want to try him for treason for which the punishment is death. This isn't about right or wrong as I said. it is about power and control as is everything the federal government does. I view Snowden as somewhat of a hero but one that is in deep doo doo with the government.

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    Re: Ecuador Stands Up To US

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I'm not arguing that. But understand that it isn't some petty law. Some want to try him for treason for which the punishment is death. This isn't about right or wrong as I said. it is about power and control as is everything the federal government does. I view Snowden as somewhat of a hero but one that is in deep doo doo with the government.
    No doubt about it--he's in deep doo doo, and he knew that would be the outcome before he took the overt act. So did Ellsberg and so did Manning and many other less famous ones.

    It is never wrong to expose government crimes, and it is always right to expose government crimes. That is the duty of journalism really, always has been. But today's media is wholly owned, the presstitutes.

    So he is way braver than either you or I.

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    Re: Ecuador Stands Up To US

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    No sovereign nation should be threatened by another for considering asylum for someone who has not directly hurt anybody (and has awakened this nation to injustices).
    Successive governments have ignored or manipulated the Constitution, have failed to protect the borders, have divided Americans into Races which they can control through welfare and food stamps, have started wars without much thought given to outcomes, and have drawn lines in the sand which have had as much significance as cancelling Easter Egg hunts.

    Meanwhile they have a sycophant media who advance their careers with access to the White House, and 'reliable sources', by not being critical of the Administration.

    It was Matt Drudge, condemned by all the MSM as being an amateur hack, who broke the story on Clinton and his lies, and who has since encouraged many others to report more responsibly in reporting what actually goes on among the very powerful people who run the country.

    Some time ago good Americans everywhere would have condemned these actions but since the government has been treating their own people as suspicious criminals then its about time the people began to turn this game around.

    I'll reserve judgement on this guy until the smoke clears, but its clear already that Obama's 'lines in the sand' are not a threat to anyone anymore, no matter how weak they are among the international communities.

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