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    Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Dems who backed DOMA laud its end - David Nather - POLITICO.com

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called Wednesday’s Supreme Court ruling striking down the Defense of Marriage Act “a great, historic day for equality in America.”

    He went on: “The idea that allowing two loving, committed people to marry would have a negative impact on anyone else, or on our nation as a whole, has always struck me as absurd.”

    Pretty strong words from a guy who voted for the Defense of Marriage Act.

    But Reid isn’t the only one. There was a long line of prominent Democrats Wednesday who all queued up to applaud the Supreme Court for striking down DOMA — even though they voted for it when it passed in 1996.

    Even Bill Clinton — who signed the bill into law — heralded the court’s decision.

    “By overturning the Defense of Marriage Act, the Court recognized that discrimination towards any group holds us all back in our efforts to form a more perfect union,” Clinton said in a statement also signed by Hillary Clinton.

    Virtually all of the Democrats say, “move on, nothing to see here” — they dropped their support for DOMA years ago. But the Supreme Court ruling allowed them to blast their words of praise to the world without a hint of regret over DOMA — or even an acknowledgment that they had any role in making it the law of the land.

    Like Sen. Chuck Schumer, who declared that “the Supreme Court did the right thing here and helps us understand that the march to equality in America is unstoppable.” He voted for DOMA as a House member in 1996.
    The purpose of this thread is to point out the hypocrisy of those who are hailing it but voted for it in 1996.

    Defense of Marriage Act (1996; 104th Congress H.R. 3396) - GovTrack.us

    See who voted for or against it in 1996. Only 14 senators voted against it, and only 67 representatives (24 others didn't vote or voted 'present') voted against it.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    same thing with don't ask don't tell
    sometimes the law is changed incrementally, as society's views change incrementally
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    same thing with don't ask don't tell
    sometimes the law is changed incrementally, as society's views change incrementally
    Maybe, but own up to it.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe, but own up to it.
    I agree with that. People's views change over the course of decades. But if you played a part in passing law you feel is unjust, as you said, own up to it. I actually find it refreshing when a politician says the words "I was wrong".

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Their positions seem to have simply "evolved".

    What is being omitted from the discussion is how the federal gov't attained a power (defining marriage) not granted to it by the constitution by simply asserting that it had now had such a power. This was done when establishing a national speed limit, and demanding that states expand Medicaid eligibility and for many other "unfunded mandates". The sad part is that many such laws are allowed to stand until someone is willing to spend enough time and money to get the SCOTUS to demand showing just what constitutional basis allowed for the new federal power.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Their positions seem to have simply "evolved".

    What is being omitted from the discussion is how the federal gov't attained a power (defining marriage) not granted to it by the constitution by simply asserting that it had now had such a power. This was done when establishing a national speed limit, and demanding that states expand Medicaid eligibility and for many other "unfunded mandates". The sad part is that many such laws are allowed to stand until someone is willing to spend enough time and money to get the SCOTUS to demand showing just what constitutional basis allowed for the new federal power.
    Yeah well there's that, but frankly I don't mind that as long as it's sincere; and not for political expediency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah well there's that, but frankly I don't mind that as long as it's sincere; and not for political expediency.
    Every thing done in DC is for political expediency. Welcome to the 21st century. We no longer need Presidents, representatives or state legislatures. We are ruled by an Oligarchy. The one in DC clothed in black robes. The Constitution, and all other facets of our life, are determined correct on not by that Oligarchy. Franklin was farsighted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah well there's that, but frankly I don't mind that as long as it's sincere; and not for political expediency.
    The actions of any elected representative are later subject to the approval of those represented unless there are term limits involved - Obama thus has no such limits. That is the only recourse that the public has, short of the SCOTUS keeping them within the, ever widening, constitutional boundaries.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    same thing with don't ask don't tell
    sometimes the law is changed incrementally, as society's views change incrementally
    Especially when you're made to feel guilty by the constant bombardment from activist groups.

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Dems who backed DOMA laud its end - David Nather - POLITICO.com



    The purpose of this thread is to point out the hypocrisy of those who are hailing it but voted for it in 1996.

    Defense of Marriage Act (1996; 104th Congress H.R. 3396) - GovTrack.us

    See who voted for or against it in 1996. Only 14 senators voted against it, and only 67 representatives (24 others didn't vote or voted 'present') voted against it.
    It is not hypocrisy . People are evolving and understanding that homosexuality is real. And as more and more people accept the inevitable you will see more and more states change their views on same sex marriage. I am sure that in every ethnic group and every political group there are LGBT people and they deserve the same rights as anyone else. We are all one people. And it is great that my cousin and his partner now have the same rights.
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