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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The worst part of it is that most of the Democrats who voted for the DOMA didn't really believe in it, they voted for it out of cowardice and political ambition.
    Some voted on it in an effort to avoid a Federal Marriage Amendment. That may not be the most noble decision, nor the most honest, but it still was better than getting an FMA put into place.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The worst part of it is that most of the Democrats who voted for the DOMA didn't really believe in it, they voted for it out of cowardice and political ambition.
    Likely, but that is the nature of politics, is it not?

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

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    Dems who backed DOMA laud its end - David Nather - POLITICO.com



    The purpose of this thread is to point out the hypocrisy of those who are hailing it but voted for it in 1996.

    Defense of Marriage Act (1996; 104th Congress H.R. 3396) - GovTrack.us

    See who voted for or against it in 1996. Only 14 senators voted against it, and only 67 representatives (24 others didn't vote or voted 'present') voted against it.
    So over 17 years people cannot change their opinion in the face of more information, changing social values and lots of research? Do you realize just how stupid that is?
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I personally feel that some very prominent Democrats that actually supported same sex marriage or at least did not feel that DOMA was right or even constitutional at the time felt that DOMA was the best option for the mindset in the 90s. There was just too much opposition to same sex marriage. It was the right thing to do to prevent a Constitutional Amendment from being shoved through on the feelings of the time that would have been little different than Prohibition. It would have been repealed within 30 or 40 years after being enacted when public opinion swung to the other side. But this also gave the option of allowing the Court a chance to strike this down or for it to simply be repealed (which was at least attempted a couple of times before) without requiring a Constitutional Amendment to change. It actually worked well for states' rights and individual rights, no matter how many feel how wrong it was or how hypocritical it is/was for those who signed/supported it in the past to oppose it now.

    DOMA was wrong, but for the time, it was the lesser of two evils. Now that there is no significant support for a Constitutional Amendment (which is the proof that such an Amendment would have been foolish back then), it is no longer needed and needed to go away.
    On the other hand, this post makes some excellent points.

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Just another maneuver to win a vote.
    Winning the votes of a relatively small portion of the population who mostly already vote democrat is a high priority, yes...
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Huh??? Please elaborate.
    Social issues remain as they have ever been. The views change in society, but the pendulum swings both ways. We tend to view these things on a generational basis, but history has no such restriction. You will find those who quote Biblical scripture here, and that expresses a view rendered some 2,000 years ago. It was an issue that long ago. It will likely remain one for a long time to come regardless of a court ruling and the ones that will surely follow. It's not an opinion one way or another. Just an observation.

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Winning the votes of a relatively small portion of the population who mostly already vote democrat is a high priority, yes...
    So what did you call it when they voted and passed an act against them?
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    So what did you call it when they voted and passed an act against them?
    I called it a bad move when they did it. Not because of how it would effect votes though, but because I opposed the bill.

    My point in this is that over time, most every one's positions on issues evolve. If you show me a person who votes exactly the same on bills today as 17 years ago, and I will show you a brain dead moron. A position changing over time is not hypocrisy, especially one where societal views have shifted dramatically and research on the topic is vastly increased.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Politicians who are honest enough to change their minds about issues when confronted with new facts and their effect on real people -- somehow that bothers conservatives.

    Perfect teabaggery!

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I called it a bad move when they did it. Not because of how it would effect votes though, but because I opposed the bill.

    My point in this is that over time, most every one's positions on issues evolve. If you show me a person who votes exactly the same on bills today as 17 years ago, and I will show you a brain dead moron. A position changing over time is not hypocrisy, especially one where societal views have shifted dramatically and research on the topic is vastly increased.
    It was a bad move.

    People should change their point of view as issues evolve.

    I don't believe politicians change their point of view as issues evolve. They change their point of view as their donors point of view evolves.
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