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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Just another maneuver to win a vote.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Just another maneuver to win a vote.
    The easiest thing to do is ascribe negative motivations to other people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The easiest thing to do is ascribe negative motivations to other people.
    I am for the SC ruling and wish it went further.

    With that said, I truly do not believe our politicians. I don't believe they have any other motivation than status quo. I also believe they vote whatever way the wind is blowing that day.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    I personally feel that some very prominent Democrats that actually supported same sex marriage or at least did not feel that DOMA was right or even constitutional at the time felt that DOMA was the best option for the mindset in the 90s. There was just too much opposition to same sex marriage. It was the right thing to do to prevent a Constitutional Amendment from being shoved through on the feelings of the time that would have been little different than Prohibition. It would have been repealed within 30 or 40 years after being enacted when public opinion swung to the other side. But this also gave the option of allowing the Court a chance to strike this down or for it to simply be repealed (which was at least attempted a couple of times before) without requiring a Constitutional Amendment to change. It actually worked well for states' rights and individual rights, no matter how many feel how wrong it was or how hypocritical it is/was for those who signed/supported it in the past to oppose it now.

    DOMA was wrong, but for the time, it was the lesser of two evils. Now that there is no significant support for a Constitutional Amendment (which is the proof that such an Amendment would have been foolish back then), it is no longer needed and needed to go away.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It's hard to say though with these politicians. Are they really evolving and will they admit they were wrong or is it just being on the right side of what they think their voters want from them?

    And I'm happy for your cousin, as you said we are all one.
    You bring up a good point, but I remain optimistic and give them the benefit of the doubt on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Views do change, but the territory remains the same.
    Huh??? Please elaborate.
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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It's hard to say though with these politicians. Are they really evolving and will they admit they were wrong or is it just being on the right side of what they think their voters want from them?

    And I'm happy for your cousin, as you said we are all one.
    Certainly many cater to their voters. In fact, I'd say Obama was one who was iffy on SSM when he was first elected, and now seems to be on the bandwagon. No doubt he was playing the trend rather than fighting for what he believed to be right.
    “No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” Trump said... “‘Is everyone OK’? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody OK?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Dems who backed DOMA laud its end - David Nather - POLITICO.com



    The purpose of this thread is to point out the hypocrisy of those who are hailing it but voted for it in 1996.

    Defense of Marriage Act (1996; 104th Congress H.R. 3396) - GovTrack.us

    See who voted for or against it in 1996. Only 14 senators voted against it, and only 67 representatives (24 others didn't vote or voted 'present') voted against it.
    Democrats by and large don't really stick to their principles

    Or anyone in Congress for that matter so this is rather unsuprising

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The purpose of this thread is to point out the hypocrisy of those who are hailing it but voted for it in 1996.
    While I'm sure both cases were politically motivated, what does it say about a person when they think another can never change their opinions over the course of nearly 20 years?
    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Jeepers, American... that was 17 years ago, LOL. Views change!!!
    Not in politics. Americans want politicians who never change their views, and actually criticize those who do. Heck, Bush and Obama both ran re-election campaigns against their opponent for being flip floppers.

    It's almost sad how much Americans don't want people to grow as individuals.

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    Re: Dems who backed DOMA laud its end

    The worst part of it is that most of the Democrats who voted for the DOMA didn't really believe in it, they voted for it out of cowardice and political ambition.

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