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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    as I suspected, but then again I remember you now from a few months back ... you haven't changed ... you have yourself a good day, and life sawyer
    No reason to get in a snit. I just asked for evidence that an innocent person has been executed. Apparently you have none, as I suspected.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It does if it gets them to HELL quicker. 8)



    Also relieves the burden on the taxpayer.
    actually it costs more money to execute people ....

    Murder rates have been going down for some time in the U.S. (the rates are lower in states that don't have the death penalty) and a friend of mine who studies the death penalty said that one factor is that we're an aging population ... interesting, no?

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    No reason to get in a snit. I just asked for evidence that an innocent person has been executed. Apparently you have none, as I suspected.
    I'm afraid that you're the one in a snit my friend ... I smiled when I saw your predictable response ... and, btw, I expected this childish retort as well ... have a good one ...

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    I'm afraid that you're the one in a snit my friend ... I smiled when I saw your predictable response ... and, btw, I expected this childish retort as well ... have a good one ...
    Is asking for evidence childish retort in your book?

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    So I looked into how many innocent men have been put to death on my own because all the people saying this has happened have offered no evidence of their claims. All I found was this. A guy from the death penalty information center says if there was a retrial he would be found not guilty. This seems to be the closest thing there is to an innocent man being put to death. The guy even admits there is no evidence an innocent man has ever been put to death. Guess that ends this debate huh.

    "If a new trial was somehow able to be conducted today, a jury would acquit DeLuna" said Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center, who read a draft of Liebman's report. "We don't have a perfect case where can agree that we have an innocent person who's been executed, but by weight of this investigation, I think we can say this is as close as a person is going to come."

    Carlos DeLuna Execution: Texas Put To Death An Innocent Man, Columbia University Team Says

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So I looked into how many innocent men have been put to death on my own because all the people saying this has happened have offered no evidence of their claims. All I found was this. A guy from the death penalty information center says if there was a retrial he would be found not guilty. This seems to be the closest thing there is to an innocent man being put to death. The guy even admits there is no evidence an innocent man has ever been put to death. Guess that ends this debate huh.

    "If a new trial was somehow able to be conducted today, a jury would acquit DeLuna" said Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center, who read a draft of Liebman's report. "We don't have a perfect case where can agree that we have an innocent person who's been executed, but by weight of this investigation, I think we can say this is as close as a person is going to come."

    Carlos DeLuna Execution: Texas Put To Death An Innocent Man, Columbia University Team Says
    My experience has tended to be the same. People claim that innocent people have been executed, but I am not aware of any. The time period spent with death penalty convicts spans a pretty long period of time, and with DNA evidence, and improved criminal pathology technical capabilities, there should be ample time to discover if someone sentence to death is actually innocent of his/her crime.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Saw this, thought pieces of it would be relevant to this conversation. It has bright colors too.

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Saw this, thought pieces of it would be relevant to this conversation. It has bright colors too.

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf
    From that site this would be my beef with the death penalty, it's just to costly. Cheaper to lock them up and throw away the key I think but then again if the offender is young the cost of life in prison cost tax payers a lot too.

    "A new study in California revealed that the cost of the death penalty in the state has been over $4 billion since 1978.
    Study considered pre-trial and trial costs, costs of automatic appeals and state habeas corpus petitions, costs of federal
    habeas corpus appeals, and costs of incarceration on death row. (Alarcon & Mitchell, 2011).
    • In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The eventual
    costs to Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have resulted. (Urban
    Institute, 2008).
    • In Kansas, the costs of capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-capital cases, including the costs of
    incarceration. (Kansas Performance Audit Report, December 2003).
    • Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers
    with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost
    of $24 million for each execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000).
    • The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per
    execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Why don't you leave if you don't like it here. I think we would get along just fin without you.

    Now I'm gonna stay forever...just to keep you informed on what's going on here...and elsewhere.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    From that site this would be my beef with the death penalty, it's just to costly. Cheaper to lock them up and throw away the key I think but then again if the offender is young the cost of life in prison cost tax payers a lot too.

    "A new study in California revealed that the cost of the death penalty in the state has been over $4 billion since 1978.
    Study considered pre-trial and trial costs, costs of automatic appeals and state habeas corpus petitions, costs of federal
    habeas corpus appeals, and costs of incarceration on death row. (Alarcon & Mitchell, 2011).
    • In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The eventual
    costs to Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have resulted. (Urban
    Institute, 2008).
    • In Kansas, the costs of capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-capital cases, including the costs of
    incarceration. (Kansas Performance Audit Report, December 2003).
    • Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers
    with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost
    of $24 million for each execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000).
    • The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per
    execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial
    The part you pointed out I did not know until I read the FAQ. It seems counter intuitive to me. Food, Electricity, Guards, Benefits for the Guards, Health, Dental all seem to add up. I did not think the trials were as expensive as the estimates show. Interesting.
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