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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    That is better than in Illinois, California, or New York City where average citizens have to fear dying at the hands of gangs or other criminals.
    Not entirely true. Houston is on it's way to becoming the murder capital again. There have been 2 or 3 murders per day here this year, a sharp increase from last year, and even surpassing the days in the 1970's when Houston took the title from Detroit.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I respectfully disagree with you, but might agree with you from an economic standpoint. It costs more to execute a person than it does to imprison him for life. Some might say that we should move the process along, so that it costs less, but that would be horrible in that more innocent people would end up being executed as a result. The condemned need to have every appeal and process available to them, in order to reverse a decision that is permanent. Better yet, with no death penalty, we don't have to worry about executing the wrong person, so I am pretty much on your side in regard to this issue.
    also it has not been shown to be a deterrent ...

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    also it has not been shown to be a deterrent ...
    If the death penalty was foolproof, I would be in favor of it, but not as a deterrent. It would be simple. If you kill, then you will be killed. Nothing more, nothing less.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    It was a Republican governor in the 1990's in Illinois who did away with the death penalty. He just got out of jail for other misdeeds that were illegal. Many of us con/mod dems were against losing the death penalty but they did prove innocent people were executed and on death row. It was good politics also. Repubs held the governorship here for 26 straight years until Blago got it in 2003. He's now in jail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    That is better than in Illinois, California, or New York City where average citizens have to fear dying at the hands of gangs or other criminals.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    The murder rate is higher in states with the death penalty than in states without it, and that has been the case since 1990 at least ...
    Deterrence: States Without the Death Penalty Have Had Consistently Lower Murder Rates | Death Penalty Information Center
    note that the murder rate has dropped steadily since then as well ...

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If the death penalty was foolproof, I would be in favor of it, but not as a deterrent. It would be simple. If you kill, then you will be killed. Nothing more, nothing less.
    An eye for eye?

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    An eye for eye?
    Pretty much, but not in the biblical sense. Those who kill get killed. However, we have already seen how that works in practice. It doesn't, so I don't advocate it. It is pretty much a hypothetical to me. A good example is the Willingham execution here in Texas. He was executed for setting fire to his home, killing his wife and children. After he was executed, he was proven innocent..... Which pretty much makes those who participated in his trial and execution murderers themselves, from Rick Perry, all the way down to the man who actually threw the switch.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Pretty much, but not in the biblical sense. Those who kill get killed. However, we have already seen how that works in practice. It doesn't, so I don't advocate it. It is pretty much a hypothetical to me. A good example is the Willingham execution here in Texas. He was executed for setting fire to his home, killing his wife and children. After he was executed, he was proven innocent..... Which pretty much makes those who participated in his trial and execution murderers themselves, from Rick Perry, all the way down to the man who actually threw the switch.
    we don't agree on that one point, but were we to, I'd still be hesitant because circumstances matter ... a guy who was abused his whole life by his old man and finally, with forethought, decides to kill him as opposed to someone who goes to commit a robbery and panics and shoots someone, to someone who decides to kill someone in cold blood because he was in his neighborhood .... if it was fool proof, would we make exceptions, even if in the end someone took someone's life ...

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Not surprising when you consider that the United States is in the top 5 Countries for Executions world wide. (The others being China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia). I dunno guys, i really do understand that this is a highly emotional issue for many of you, but i personally find it repulsive. My Government abolished the death penalty in 1973 and has since passed laws ensuring it will never be reinstated so it's not an issue i'll ever have to be concerned about here.

    Of all the good things that America does and she can be proud of (and there are so many), i can't imagine that being lumped in with those four Countries in relation to anything to do with Human Rights issues, would be something to be proud of.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Because I found the statistical convergence interesting. Why are you so defensive about it?
    No.You were making a bull **** comparison. You stated in your first post that scumbags found guilty in a court of law and punished are akin to innocent people who were kidnapped and murdered by terrorists.



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