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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It's a punishment first and a deterent second.
    It's a punishment first and second. If it was a deterrent Texas would have a low murder rate, wouldn't it?

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    It's a punishment first and second. If it was a deterrent Texas would have a low murder rate, wouldn't it?
    That's irrelevant and it's a poor excuse for ending Capital punishment.

    Look up " Kenneth Allen McDuff " and perhaps you'll understand why I don't trust the prison or penal system to keep dangerous criminals off our streets.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Not outside of immediate self defense or defense of others, no.



    Fixed for accuracy. Unless you're ignoring the actual evidence and arguing that the death penalty is a deterrent, how is an executed prisoner safer than an incarcerated one?



    Mostly it's that there is no such next life. But if you've read anything that I post on this issue, you would know that that is not at all how I argue for treating prisoners. I'm a very staunch advocate for restorative justice. See also my reply to Vance for additional details.



    If it's more of a deterrent not to be killed, why kill? Deterring crime is actually a good thing. Also, I'm pretty sure that no one actually feels that way when facing death. A desire to accelerate slow and painful deaths notwithstanding, of course.



    So, keep them cordoned off. Or even better yet, rather than simply keeping prisoners locked away, try to reform them. Restorative justice works. A lot of those death row inmates were in jail before they killed someone. If they had been properly educated and treated (as many have psychological disorders, were victims of abuse, or have mental disabilities) they could have become productive members of society rather than murderers. But you're right that more dangerous prisoners should not be mixed in with those that are not, for the safety of all.
    There is nothing about the reform system of prison that works...nothing we have seen and certainly not involving rapists and murderers with life sentences. Been behind the walls? Worked with them? I have. Those that reform essentially reform themselves because the experience was so miserable they dont want to ever come back. Their time inside is spent surviving. The simple fact is that the vast majority that are in those prisons are right where they belong.

    Ive long believed there should be extraordianry prison reform, but I doubt it would ever pass. Since there is no appetite for real reform, you are left dealing with reality. Even with those that rail on against capital punishment...if you are honest do you really believe people care more about the individuals or the 'cause'?

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    That's irrelevant and it's a poor excuse for ending Capital punishment.
    It's not irrelevant and it's not presented as a reason to end capital punishment. There's reasons for capital punishment but deterrence isn't one of them. Might as well be honest about things if we're gonna have a discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Look up " Kenneth Allen McDuff " and perhaps you'll understand why I don't trust the prison or penal system to keep dangerous criminals off our streets.
    I don't need to look it up because I already don't trust the penal system to keep criminals off the street. But I also don't trust the government to not abuse the power of life and death. If those self-serving bastards have the power to execute citizens, you know they'll abuse it, sooner if not later.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    What would you regard as an appropriate punishment for the old boy?
    Life in prison.

    It is not up to the state, IMO, to punish people.

    It should only be up to the state to protect people.

    People should be incarcerated not as punishment, but as protection to the public.

    The state has proven time and time again that they are not qualified (and indeed, no one is, IMO) to deem what punishment fits a particular crime.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    It's a punishment first and second. If it was a deterrent Texas would have a low murder rate, wouldn't it?
    Or if wasn't a deterrent, we would have a much higher murder rate, wouldn't we?
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Capital punishment might be defensible but not as a deterrent. It's revenge, and revenge has value (I suppose) but I hate, I mean really hate the idea of government having the power to execute citizens. And don't tell me about separations of power- the court is an extension of the State.
    I say, be honest about it and build a stage in the centre of town. Have the condemned's head pushed down on the block and ensure everyone is present to watch the axe fall. All this mollycoddling about gas chambers, electric chairs, lethal injections, whatever, that's all just to let Ma and Pa reconcile their Christianity with their desire for revenge.

    Capital punishment is a 100% effective deterrent to the murderer every hurting anyone again.

    What I don't agree with is people having to work just to pay to reward a killer with lifetime free housing, food, medical care and all other expenses.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And I refuse to allow a government to kill when I have the power to stop it. I don't approve of killing people at all, but killing innocent people is completely unacceptable. If there is any chance, I will not allow it.



    It makes it much much easier. Callousness and indifference to the problems of others is pretty incompatible with socialist ideals. Egalitarianism does not allow for harming others to benefit oneself.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    If the death penalty stopped crime then we'd be crimeless. The reality is that it doesn't deter anyone...

    I could turn that around by saying, "evil people aren't concerned that their evil deeds will result in any sort of punishment"

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    What a milestone. I wonder if they had a cake. Or gave the lucky inmate a festive hat.
    I don't know about if they had a party, but I was overjoyed. The new day is even brighter knowing this scum didn't get to see it!

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