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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    It certainly deters the recipient of the injection!
    If it detered him, he wouldn't be there, would he.
    Don't make me get statistical

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    I am no fan of Big Jim -- I think he helped ruin the state -- but whether he is literally a criminal I don't know.
    He had 14 years urder is open and shutto do that? How long has Perry been governor? Do Texans support him overall and the death penalty in particular. If the murder is open and shut, I believe in the China method. If the murders are not open and shut cases, as it looks like A. Hernandez, O.J. Simpson, and G. Zimmerman are not, then what?

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    If it detered him, he wouldn't be there, would he.
    Don't make me get statistical
    It deters recidivism, right?
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    He had 14 years urder is open and shutto do that? How long has Perry been governor? Do Texans support him overall and the death penalty in particular. If the murder is open and shut, I believe in the China method. If the murders are not open and shut cases, as it looks like A. Hernandez, O.J. Simpson, and G. Zimmerman are not, then what?
    I do believe the death penalty is grossly overused, certainly in Texas. Capital crimes ought to be really special, and the cases should be open-and-shut.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    It deters recidivism, right?
    Well, I don't want to quibble over semantics, but it prevents recidivism, that's for sure.
    Listen. I'm against the death penalty but not for humanitarian reasons. I just have such a deep mistrust of government and politicians that I can't approve of giving them power to execute citizens. It's not just murderers that face the death penalty.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Well, I don't want to quibble over semantics, but it prevents recidivism, that's for sure.
    Listen. I'm against the death penalty but not for humanitarian reasons. I just have such a deep mistrust of government and politicians that I can't approve of giving them power to execute citizens. It's not just murderers that face the death penalty.
    It IS only murderers in the U.S. but, not to quibble, I completely respect your position.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    It IS only murderers in the U.S. but, not to quibble, I completely respect your position.
    US Federal capital crimes other than murder...

    Espionage
    Treason
    Trafficking in large quantities of drugs
    Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror,or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, regardless of whether such killing actually occurs

    States that allow capital punishment for crimes other than murder...

    Treason (Arkansas, Calif., Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Washington)
    Aggravated kidnapping (Co., Idaho, Il., Missouri, Mont.)
    Drug trafficking (Fl., Missouri)
    Aircraft hijacking (Ga., Mo.)
    Placing a bomb near a bus terminal (Mo.)
    Espionage (New Mexico)
    Aggravated assault by incarcerated, persistent felons, or murderers (Mont.)

    The State allows capital punishment for crimes against itself, where no-one is injured (treason, espionage). You give those bastards that kind of power and they'll abuse it.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    US Federal capital crimes other than murder...

    Espionage
    Treason
    Trafficking in large quantities of drugs
    Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror,or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, regardless of whether such killing actually occurs

    States that allow capital punishment for crimes other than murder...

    Treason (Arkansas, Calif., Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Washington)
    Aggravated kidnapping (Co., Idaho, Il., Missouri, Mont.)
    Drug trafficking (Fl., Missouri)
    Aircraft hijacking (Ga., Mo.)
    Placing a bomb near a bus terminal (Mo.)
    Espionage (New Mexico)
    Aggravated assault by incarcerated, persistent felons, or murderers (Mont.)

    The State allows capital punishment for crimes against itself, where no-one is injured (treason, espionage). You give those bastards that kind of power and they'll abuse it.
    These statutes may be on the books but the U.S. Supreme Court, in Kennedy v Louisiana 554 U.S. 407 (2008) restricted the imposition of capital punishment to crimes in which the victims' lives were taken. True, the opinion did "not address, for example, crimes defining and punishing treason, espionage, terrorism, and drug kingpin activity, which are offenses against the State," but no such cases have arisen in many decades and one can be sure that if one does arise, it will go to SCOTUS. I wouldn't bet my life on an execution being upheld in such a case.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    If it detered him, he wouldn't be there, would he.
    Don't make me get statistical
    It's a punishment first and a deterent second.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    These statutes may be on the books but the U.S. Supreme Court, in Kennedy v Louisiana 554 U.S. 407 (2008) restricted the imposition of capital punishment to crimes in which the victims' lives were taken. True, the opinion did "not address, for example, crimes defining and punishing treason, espionage, terrorism, and drug kingpin activity, which are offenses against the State," but no such cases have arisen in many decades and one can be sure that if one does arise, it will go to SCOTUS. I wouldn't bet my life on an execution being upheld in such a case.
    Nor would you bet your life against it.
    If you give the State the power of life and death you're gonna regret it sooner or later. Seriously, once they have that power in hand it's up to them how they use it. That list I cited can be expanded by legislation, by the jokers and yahoos sitting in government seats and empty Supreme Court seats are filled by the party in power. The only safe policy, in this context, is to not allow the government to execute citizens. Find another route.

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