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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, they still do that some places. If there were pickpockets, never noticed them and they didn't bother anyone I knew that went there. But sounds like a really good idea, maybe we should start doing that again also.

    Correction, Capital punishment as it exist today, has no evidence of being a deterrent. But then again, to prove one way or the other as to it's deterrence value, one would have to prove a negative, which cannot be done.
    Disproving a statement is not 'proving a negative'.

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    There is absolutely no way to determine if it has or has not deterred people from crime. You can post all the statistics you want, but in the end, they do not, in anyway, prove whether or not someone did not commit a crime because of a particular factor.
    Actually, you can't refute statistics with anecdotes.

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    Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Ask a Condemned Criminal on the way to the Gallows if what he's feeling feels like "punishment".
    It may "feel like punishment" but it isn't punishment because the person dies. That's just good ol' bible inspired "eye for an eye" revenge.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are comparing people being punished for a crime that they were legally convicted of to people who were abducted and murdered by a terrorist group?
    Yep, that's exactly what he is doing.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think that was probably a fairly common occurence in the 50s and 60's. Not so much today.

    I think we have discussed this before. Id be fine if they built another 40/50 supermax prisons and could guarantee no murderer ever killed or maimed another soul in or out of prison and then did away with the death penalty altogether.
    There would be plenty of space for anyone who would be otherwise executed if we let the potheads out of jail. But I wouldn't be so quick to write off problems today. It's easy to think that we're past such shortcomings, but these problems do crop up fairly frequently. I think a lot of the problems that plagued our justice system in the past have been seriously exacerbated by the drug war. It's made the adversarial nature of it even more adversarial, and to our detriment. It fundamentally changed the duties and style of police, from attempting to protect people from harm to attempting to control us, because we're all potential carriers of contraband. I think without that mentality, we would see a lot less police misconduct. Because while some of those problems exist, you're right that they're not as bad as they used to be. Racism does not rule the day when a black man is accused of harming a white woman. At least not as much as it used to. But the adversarial nature of police procedure has gotten much worse to compensate.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    They may have time to think about it but the actual punishment prescribed is death therefore I revert to my original thought.
    Sorry, your original thought doesn't carry any weight. If you're against the death penalty, fine, but you need to do better than that.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I am pointing out an interesting statistical convergence. What you do with that is up to you.
    What "statistical convergence"???
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I wonder how many of them were actually innocent. 12 inmates who were convicted and sentenced to death in Texas were later found to be innocent and released. Can anyone really feel certain that none of those 500 were innocent, too?
    People have looked pretty hard for one, haven't they?
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    I have no problem killing people who have actually murdered or committed heinous crimes, but until we invent a system that can be 100% sure that we have convicted the right person I can't agree with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If the death penalty was foolproof, I would be in favor of it, but not as a deterrent. It would be simple. If you kill, then you will be killed. Nothing more, nothing less.
    Every murder is not the same.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It was a Republican governor in the 1990's in Illinois who did away with the death penalty. He just got out of jail for other misdeeds that were illegal. Many of us con/mod dems were against losing the death penalty but they did prove innocent people were executed and on death row. It was good politics also. Repubs held the governorship here for 26 straight years until Blago got it in 2003. He's now in jail.
    Many people think that George Ryan's grandstanding was intended to ingratiate himself with his future jury pool.
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