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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Maybe we should. Public hangings might just help deter future criminals better.
    'Way back, before there were prisons, they'd hand thieves publicly in the city square. A crowd would gather, make a day of it, and pickpockets would be working the crowd.
    Capital punishment isn't a deterrent. There may be reasons to have it but crime prevention isn't one of them.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    It's an enormous responsibility, holding the power of life and death. Your faith and trust in the government is inspiring.
    I have no faith in gov but in this instance our legal system seems very well run. My point is as of now there are no proven case of a single innocent person being executed so using that as an argument is pointless. There are plenty of reasons to be against the death penalty but innocent people being executed is not one of them.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Several of the ones I read about involved one of the key witnesses actually being the perpetrator. And prosecutorial misconduct all around. But no, it wasn't a matter of "getting off on a technicality", they were all exonerated. Which means the court, upon review, concluded that they were innocent.



    No, it shows how the system doesn't work! Texas was all set to execute these 12 people, and only a lot of outside intervention prevented the murder of innocent people by the state. But you don't know how many of these 500 were actually guilty. You don't know how many slipped through the cracks. And as Danarhea said, one is too many. Why so gung ho about state sanctioned murder?



    And since we can't be sure, how can we risk killing an innocent person?

    Gung ho? I'm actually on the fence about capital punishment but not for the made up reason that innocents are being executed and you risk killing an innocent person every time you get in your car so that has no sway with me either.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    'Way back, before there were prisons, they'd hand thieves publicly in the city square. A crowd would gather, make a day of it, and pickpockets would be working the crowd.
    Capital punishment isn't a deterrent. There may be reasons to have it but crime prevention isn't one of them.
    Actually, they still do that some places. If there were pickpockets, never noticed them and they didn't bother anyone I knew that went there. But sounds like a really good idea, maybe we should start doing that again also.

    Correction, Capital punishment as it exist today, has no evidence of being a deterrent. But then again, to prove one way or the other as to it's deterrence value, one would have to prove a negative, which cannot be done. There is absolutely no way to determine if it has or has not deterred people from crime. You can post all the statistics you want, but in the end, they do not, in anyway, prove whether or not someone did not commit a crime because of a particular factor.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It would be interesting to have discussion on those cases. Virtually EVERY thread on this site that has involved opposition to the death penalty involves some poor misguided illegal imigrant that surely wouldnt have bashed in 2 girls heads with a rock had he not been brought to the US when he was 2 so really...it was the countries fault. Oh...and the recent Baltimore case where the guy killed 4 people but there was a 'question' of his possible innocense because even though he admitted it to a firend, was caught with the murder weapon and blood evidence there was a foreign hair in one of the victims car and that COULD have maybe come from the 'real' killer...
    Really? Cuz most of the situations I've seen involve cops and prosecutors simply assuming guilt and not doing due diligence. Sometimes they get false confessions out of people (this actually happens a LOT), sometimes they don't examine other suspects, and sometimes they aren't honest with evidence or with procedure. Sometimes there's race issues, too. Not all such situations are racial in nature, but it would be equally wrong to think that none are. This is for wrongful convictions in general, not specifically for death penalty cases.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have no faith in gov but in this instance our legal system seems very well run. My point is as of now there are no proven case of a single innocent person being executed so using that as an argument is pointless. There are plenty of reasons to be against the death penalty but innocent people being executed is not one of them.
    The US government allows the death penalty for crimes against itself- treason and espionage. It also allows it for drug trafficking and "Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror,or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, regardless of whether such killing actually occurs."

    State gov'ts allow the death penalty for...

    Treason (Arkansas, Calif., Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Washington)
    Aggravated kidnapping (Co., Idaho, Il., Missouri, Mont.)
    Drug trafficking (Fl., Missouri)
    Aircraft hijacking (Ga., Mo.)
    Placing a bomb near a bus terminal (Mo.)
    Espionage (New Mexico)
    Aggravated assault by incarcerated, persistent felons, or murderers (Mont.)

    Death Penalty for Offenses Other Than Murder | Death Penalty Information Center

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Really? Cuz most of the situations I've seen involve cops and prosecutors simply assuming guilt and not doing due diligence. Sometimes they get false confessions out of people (this actually happens a LOT), sometimes they don't examine other suspects, and sometimes they aren't honest with evidence or with procedure. Sometimes there's race issues, too. Not all such situations are racial in nature, but it would be equally wrong to think that none are. This is for wrongful convictions in general, not specifically for death penalty cases.
    I think that was probably a fairly common occurence in the 50s and 60's. Not so much today.

    I think we have discussed this before. Id be fine if they built another 40/50 supermax prisons and could guarantee no murderer ever killed or maimed another soul in or out of prison and then did away with the death penalty altogether.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Maybe we should. Public hangings might just help deter future criminals better. People used to be afraid of being hung, haven't heard of a lot of people afraid of lethal injection. But then, when we used hanging, we also executed a lot more murderers, etc. Wasn't none of this "special circumstances" bs. Murder is Murder, if not, then it is manslaughter, we don't execute for that, so if you commit murder, then the death penalty should always be available as an option. I personally think it should be there for rapist and several other types of hideous crimes.

    As to cost, that is only a problem because the state has to provide qualified defense lawyers and expanded procedures. A simple way to handle that would be not to allow anyone who cannot handle a death penalty case qualify to be a criminal lawyers under the BAR. All defense attorneys would then be qualified and we wouldn't have to spend extra money hiring "special" ones.
    Studies show that the threat of capital punishment doesn't really effect most criminals because they don't think they are going to get caught. I just got swamped, but I will link something later.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    How can capital punishment be
    punishment if by virtue of the execution the person cannot absorb the punishment because they die? Doesn't make sense to punish someone by killing them; this may provide comfort to the families of those whose loved ones were harmed but that's vengeance- not punishment.
    Ask a Condemned Criminal on the way to the Gallows if what he's feeling feels like "punishment".

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