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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I wonder how many of them were actually innocent. 12 inmates who were convicted and sentenced to death in Texas were later found to be innocent and released. Can anyone really feel certain that none of those 500 were innocent, too?
    Were those 12 'innocent' or was the evidence found to be less conclusive than originally thought? Iabsolutely agree there should be a higher standard for a capital punishment sentence. Then again...if those sentenced were 'just' given life sentences, would they have stayed on anyones radar long enough for them to care or be exhonerated?

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I was thinking that too. Would you like to continue it in a proper forum?
    Well, actually...that forum is one in which I'm the most active. But I think you'd find a number of other folks who are regular posters there...on both sides of the issue who would be happy for you to join in. But I would say that your perspective is one that you and I would simply disagree with in virtually every way we could make engage in our specific arguments...and walk away with neither having resolved our differences.

    But thanks for the offer. Pop in though...

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Blue...with all due respect...this isn't a topic for this forum. I was making my comment as a metaphor. I live in Texas, born and breed and will most likely die here. That said, we have, in my opinion, a very radical state legislature and governor, all of whom I consider to be extremists and tyrants. I see their behaviors...when it comes to the topic of "death"...to be virtually an oxymoron.

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    I too live in Texas. Graduated from Harlingen High School long ago, I don't view either the governor nor the state legislature as being radical, extremists or tyrants. Unless, of course, you are speaking of Wendy Davis.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    I too live in Texas. Graduated from Harlingen High School long ago, I don't view either the governor nor the state legislature as being radical, extremists or tyrants. Unless, of course, you are speaking of Wendy Davis.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Were those 12 'innocent' or was the evidence found to be less conclusive than originally thought? Iabsolutely agree there should be a higher standard for a capital punishment sentence. Then again...if those sentenced were 'just' given life sentences, would they have stayed on anyones radar long enough for them to care or be exhonerated?
    Several of the ones I read about involved one of the key witnesses actually being the perpetrator. And prosecutorial misconduct all around. But no, it wasn't a matter of "getting off on a technicality", they were all exonerated. Which means the court, upon review, concluded that they were innocent.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Shows how careful we are before executing anyone, the system works. By the way they most were not proven innocent they were proven not guilty. Huge difference.
    No, it shows how the system doesn't work! Texas was all set to execute these 12 people, and only a lot of outside intervention prevented the murder of innocent people by the state. But you don't know how many of these 500 were actually guilty. You don't know how many slipped through the cracks. And as Danarhea said, one is too many. Why so gung ho about state sanctioned murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's why there is 15 to 18 yrs. for the appeals process.

    And no we can't be sure.
    And since we can't be sure, how can we risk killing an innocent person?
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Several of the ones I read about involved one of the key witnesses actually being the perpetrator. And prosecutorial misconduct all around. But no, it wasn't a matter of "getting off on a technicality", they were all exonerated. Which means the court, upon review, concluded that they were innocent.



    No, it shows how the system doesn't work! Texas was all set to execute these 12 people, and only a lot of outside intervention prevented the murder of innocent people by the state. But you don't know how many of these 500 were actually guilty. You don't know how many slipped through the cracks. And as Danarhea said, one is too many. Why so gung ho about state sanctioned murder?



    And since we can't be sure, how can we risk killing an innocent person?
    It would be interesting to have discussion on those cases. Virtually EVERY thread on this site that has involved opposition to the death penalty involves some poor misguided illegal imigrant that surely wouldnt have bashed in 2 girls heads with a rock had he not been brought to the US when he was 2 so really...it was the countries fault. Oh...and the recent Baltimore case where the guy killed 4 people but there was a 'question' of his possible innocense because even though he admitted it to a firend, was caught with the murder weapon and blood evidence there was a foreign hair in one of the victims car and that COULD have maybe come from the 'real' killer...

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    I am against capital punishment no matter what the crime.

    If Hitler was found alive (and 124 years old) I would still be against killing him.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Show me the site that gives evidence an innocent man has been executed. The one I posted was the closest I could find. If you can do better be my guest.
    This guy might fit the bill. It seems there was a lot of evidence in 1981. In 2004 they attributed it to another person. Weird case.

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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    We don't hang folks in Texas BTW.
    Maybe we should. Public hangings might just help deter future criminals better. People used to be afraid of being hung, haven't heard of a lot of people afraid of lethal injection. But then, when we used hanging, we also executed a lot more murderers, etc. Wasn't none of this "special circumstances" bs. Murder is Murder, if not, then it is manslaughter, we don't execute for that, so if you commit murder, then the death penalty should always be available as an option. I personally think it should be there for rapist and several other types of hideous crimes.

    As to cost, that is only a problem because the state has to provide qualified defense lawyers and expanded procedures. A simple way to handle that would be not to allow anyone who cannot handle a death penalty case qualify to be a criminal lawyers under the BAR. All defense attorneys would then be qualified and we wouldn't have to spend extra money hiring "special" ones.
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    Re: Texas carries out its 500th execution since 1982

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    Wrong, it's about taking out the trash.
    It's an enormous responsibility, holding the power of life and death. Your faith and trust in the government is inspiring.

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