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    Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Lets say the hypothetical situation occurred where the federal government had never passed DOMA and instead had decide to call any marriage contract that 2 consenting adults entered into a domestic partnership. Domestic partnerships would have conveyed all the federal benefits for marriage that we have now without distinguishing between the sexual or religious orientation of the 2 parties. The term marriage would then only be applied to the ceremonial aspect of the union between 2 adults and it would be left to the priests, notaries, etc. to decide if they were comfortable with marrying people who lead lifestyles they disagree with. In this case, gay marriage wouldn't be legal or illegal. Marriage law at the federal level would just be recognized as essentially what it is, which is contract law.

    I think much of the problem with gay marriage comes from the use of the term marriage which many people take to have a religious connotation. Calling only gay marriages civil unions is considered discriminatory. Would you, who are opposed to legally sanctioned gay marriage, have an issue with federal benefits being attached to the partnership contract for all couples and having the federal government not say one way or another if gay "marriage" was legal? This is just out of curiosity and not meant to be accusatory or questioning anyones beliefs.

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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    "Many people take to have a religious connotation." Too bad for them. They don't get to enforce that religious connection on the rest of us. Not on members of religions that don't care about marriage. Not on the non-religious. And not on members of religions that support same sex marriage.
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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    Lets say the hypothetical situation occurred where the federal government had never passed DOMA and instead had decide to call any marriage contract that 2 consenting adults entered into a domestic partnership. Domestic partnerships would have conveyed all the federal benefits for marriage that we have now without distinguishing between the sexual or religious orientation of the 2 parties. The term marriage would then only be applied to the ceremonial aspect of the union between 2 adults and it would be left to the priests, notaries, etc. to decide if they were comfortable with marrying people who lead lifestyles they disagree with. In this case, gay marriage wouldn't be legal or illegal. Marriage law at the federal level would just be recognized as essentially what it is, which is contract law.

    I think much of the problem with gay marriage comes from the use of the term marriage which many people take to have a religious connotation. Calling only gay marriages civil unions is considered discriminatory. Would you, who are opposed to legally sanctioned gay marriage, have an issue with federal benefits being attached to the partnership contract for all couples and having the federal government not say one way or another if gay "marriage" was legal? This is just out of curiosity and not meant to be accusatory or questioning anyones beliefs.
    In such a hypothetical society, I would have had no problem with it.
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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    "Many people take to have a religious connotation." Too bad for them. They don't get to enforce that religious connection on the rest of us. Not on members of religions that don't care about marriage. Not on the non-religious. And not on members of religions that support same sex marriage.
    Should be interesting to see if the feds revoke the ability for churches/synagogues/temples/etc to perform weddings, since we both know they have, and continue to, reject attempts to have marriages within their domain that don't conform to their dogma.

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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    "Many people take to have a religious connotation." Too bad for them. They don't get to enforce that religious connection on the rest of us. Not on members of religions that don't care about marriage. Not on the non-religious. And not on members of religions that support same sex marriage.
    the SCOTUS just said 29 states can, so the rubber has hit the road on that.........

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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    "Many people take to have a religious connotation." Too bad for them. They don't get to enforce that religious connection on the rest of us. Not on members of religions that don't care about marriage. Not on the non-religious. And not on members of religions that support same sex marriage.


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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Should be interesting to see if the feds revoke the ability for churches/synagogues/temples/etc to perform weddings, since we both know they have, and continue to, reject attempts to have marriages within their domain that don't conform to their dogma.
    Separation of church and state. Also, as government marriage licenses and church marriage ceremonies are different things, it would make about as much sense for the government to forces churches to perform marriages as it would for them to force me to perform them, and in my own home noless. Utterly asinine.

    Out of curiosity, within the states that have legalized gay marriage, have any churches been forced by the government to perform marriages they don't agree with?

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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Should be interesting to see if the feds revoke the ability for churches/synagogues/temples/etc to perform weddings, since we both know they have, and continue to, reject attempts to have marriages within their domain that don't conform to their dogma.
    churches are free to discriminate as they wish this is a protected right and its not in any reality based danger, thinking otherwise is nonsensical
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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Should be interesting to see if the feds revoke the ability for churches/synagogues/temples/etc to perform weddings, since we both know they have, and continue to, reject attempts to have marriages within their domain that don't conform to their dogma.
    They won't.

    I know in the world of the paranoid, that's what they think. But that won't happen.

    Name one court or government that's made a Jewish temple marry two Christians or two Muslims?

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    Re: Question for people opposed to gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    I think much of the problem with gay marriage comes from the use of the term marriage which many people take to have a religious connotation.
    Tell you what: you get "marriage," and the rest of us get all the verbs and definite articles.

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