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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Yes, I think they should be allowed to do that. And it says Congress shall make now law. I'm sorry but a teacher is neither congress, nor a law.
    O'rly?

    You believe that a state teacher should be allowed to lead their classes in Muslim and Muslim only prayers during school hours at at school events? Excuse me if I don't believe you for a second.

    I never said that a teacher is Congress or the law. I said that a teacher is a government representative. And thus, a government representative leading a prayer as a government Representative at a government event violates the 1st amendment of establishment of religion.
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    O'rly?

    You believe that a state teacher should be allowed to lead their classes in Muslim and Muslim only prayers during school hours at at school events? Excuse me if I don't believe you for a second.

    I never said that a teacher is Congress or the law. I said that a teacher is a government representative. And thus, a government representative leading a prayer as a government Representative at a government event violates the 1st amendment of establishment of religion.
    It doesn't. It says we can't make a law to establish religion. Never says religion can't be practiced.
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Actually you have yet to prove me wrong.
    David, you're wrong.

    Did that convince you?

    Why do you think it will work on anyone else here?

    The fact that you are constantly running away from arguments I make says way more than you simply declaring you're not wrong.
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    David, you're wrong.

    Did that convince you?

    Why do you think it will work on anyone else here?

    The fact that you are constantly running away from arguments I make says way more than you simply declaring you're not wrong.
    I haven't run away from anything. You compared private companies to a tax funded military. Apples and Oranges.
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It doesn't. It says we can't make a law to establish religion. Never says religion can't be practiced.
    *sigh*

    Engel v. Vitale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I'm well aware of Engle v. Vitale.
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I haven't run away from anything.
    O'rly?

    Where is your rebuttal on the asinine logic I pointed out in your view of the 1st amendment where funding anything a religion doesn't like is an infringement?

    It doesn't exist because you ran away

    Where is your rebuttal on why offering same sex benefits to those in the military is bad?

    It doesn't exist because you ran away

    Where is your rebuttal on why we shouldn't remove all of the lists of items I gave that infringe upon religion?

    It doesn't exist because you ran away

    You compared private companies to a tax funded military. Apples and Oranges.
    Calling it Apples to Oranges doesn't mean it's Apples to Oranges merely because you are entirely incapable of providing a rebuttal.
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I'm well aware of Engle v. Vitale.
    You're not even aware of what the 1st amendment says. I doubt you even know what Engle vs Vitale is about.
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You're not even aware of what the 1st amendment says. I doubt you even know what Engle vs Vitale is about.
    http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcon...=davidtaylorjr
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    Re: Pentagon moves to extend benefits to gay spouses

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Wrong. The alternative being considered was to grant these benefits to service members' gay partners that were not even spouses since they were then legally barred from marriage. That would have been far more expensive.
    But that itself doesn't make it a waster of tax dollars.

    As AT&T and IBM showed (and as davidtaylorjr is desperately trying to avoid discussing) is that such benefits provided serious recruitment and retainment tools. Keeping the best and the brightest in the military is a clear benefit to the country. With many other competing jobs out there offering same sex benefits, the military should offer these to stay competitive.
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