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    Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Despite barely beating a midnight deadline, hundreds of jeering protesters helped stop Texas lawmakers from passing one of the toughest abortion measures in the country.
    As the protesters raised the noise to deafening levels in the Texas Senate chamber late Tuesday, Republicans scrambled to gather their colleagues at the podium for a stroke-of-midnight vote.
    After Channel 13 here in Houston directed people to the live broadcast on the internet, during the 10:00 news, I went there and watched. And there was far more to this than what was on the news.

    1) First of all, Republicans stopped the filibuster, claiming that what Wendy Davis was talking about during the filibuster was not germane. What Wendy had brought up was how the bill, coupled with the sonogram bill that had already passed earlier in the year, would impact the ability of women to get an abortion, even if it meant saving the woman's life. This, of course, WAS germane to the discussion, but this is not a point that the parliamentarian decides. David Dewhurst, the Lieutenant Governor, made this ruling himself, and without submitting it to the body for a vote, as required by the rules. He did this, of course, knowing that time was running short, and the special session was about to end.

    2) This ruling was appealed directly by a Democratic Senator, and David Dewhurst recused himself from the chair, while another Republican took his place.

    3) As debate began on the appeal, a motion was made by a Republican Senator to table the appeal, while the Democrat still had the floor. According to the rules of the Senate, this cannot be done while someone has the floor.

    4) At this point, the Democrats began gumming up the works with countless parliamentary inquiries. With 20 minutes left in the special session, the motion to table the appeal still had not been voted on.

    5) Now it gets very interesting. Democratic Senator Letitica Van de Putte makes a motion to adjourn the Senate, another stalling tactic. She is not recognized, but a Republican who makes a motion to vote on the preceding question AFTER she made hers is recognized instead. Van de Putte then calls for another parliamentary inquiry, and says the following: "How high must a female Senator raise her hand before she is recognized by her male collegues".

    6) At that point, the gallery erupts with applause and yelling and screaming, disrupting the proceedings, and this does not end until midnight.

    7) At 11:58 PM, the Republicans stop the Senate clock, and in the next several minutes, table the motion to appeal, and then pass the bill. It is AFTER midnight, and the special session is over, but the bill passes, nonetheless.

    8) For the next 3 hours there is a conference between the Republicans and Democrats, as the Democrats are preparing to file a lawsuit against David Dewhurst in court.

    9) At 3 in the morning, a compromise is worked out which states that the bill was passed in time, but was not signed out of the Senate by Dewhurst before midnight, therefore the bill did not pass.

    The special session has ended with Governor Rick Perry's plan to shut down almost every abortion clinic in Texas going down in flames, in what has become known as "The Peoples' Filibuster".

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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    After Channel 13 here in Houston directed
    people to the live broadcast on the internet, during the 10:00 news, I went there and watched. And there was far more to this than what was on the news.

    1) First of all, Republicans stopped the filibuster, claiming that what Wendy Davis was talking about during the filibuster was not germane. What Wendy had brought up was how the bill, coupled with the sonogram bill that had already passed earlier in the year, would impact the ability of women to get an abortion, even if it meant saving the woman's life. This, of course, WAS germane to the discussion, but this is not a point that the parliamentarian decides. David Dewhurst, the Lieutenant Governor, made this ruling himself, and without submitting it to the body for a vote, as required by the rules. He did this, of course, knowing that time was running short, and the special session was about to end.

    2) This ruling was appealed directly by a Democratic Senator, and David Dewhurst recused himself from the chair, while another Republican took his place.

    3) As debate began on the appeal, a motion was made by a Republican Senator to table the appeal, while the Democrat still had the floor. According to the rules of the Senate, this cannot be done while someone has the floor.

    4) At this point, the Democrats began gumming up the works with countless parliamentary inquiries. With 20 minutes left in the special session, the motion to table the appeal still had not been voted on.

    5) Now it gets very interesting. Democratic Senator Letitica Van de Putte makes a motion to adjourn the Senate, another stalling tactic. She is not recognized, but a Republican who makes a motion to vote on the preceding question AFTER she made hers is recognized instead. Van de Putte then calls for another parliamentary inquiry, and says the following: "How high must a female Senator raise her hand before she is recognized by her male collegues".

    6) At that point, the gallery erupts with applause and yelling and screaming, disrupting the proceedings, and this does not end until midnight.

    7) At 11:58 PM, the Republicans stop the Senate clock, and in the next several minutes, table the motion to appeal, and then pass the bill. It is AFTER midnight, and the special session is over, but the bill passes, nonetheless.

    8) For the next 3 hours there is a conference between the Republicans and Democrats, as the Democrats are preparing to file a lawsuit against David Dewhurst in court.

    9) At 3 in the morning, a compromise is worked out which states that the bill was passed in time, but was not signed out of the Senate by Dewhurst before midnight, therefore the bill did not pass.

    The special session has ended with Governor Rick Perry's plan to shut down almost every abortion clinic in Texas going down in flames, in what has become known as "The Peoples' Filibuster".

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    Lol..the " peoples fillibuster".

    More like the killing of the most innocent fillibuster.
    The stopping of the human heart filibuster.
    The murder of a human being fillibuster.

    Sorry, Perry can call another special session.

    I like the Davis's comment of this was "Democracy" in action.

    It was exactly the opposite.

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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    like i said in the other thread its good this bill died

    its awesome this stupid nonsensical biased retarded bill is currently dead

    while Im fine with the 20-22 week window and my PERSONAL opinion is that abortion should be vastly limited over 21 weeks (it already is over 24 weeks) but the rest of the bill is completely stupid.

    any bill that could "possibly" close 37 of the 42 facilities providing safe, legal abortions in Texas is just stupid and not about rights/safety or anything else people try to say its about.

    They should have stuck with the 20-22 week window and left it at that, honest, logical bills like that could actually work. The medical standards are already fine and not to be legislated in this fashion.
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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol..the " peoples fillibuster".

    More like the killing of the most innocent fillibuster.
    The stopping of the human heart filibuster.
    The murder of a human being fillibuster.

    Sorry, Perry can call another special session.

    I like the Davis's comment of this was "Democracy" in action.

    It was exactly the opposite.
    The Republicans literally tried to cheat the rules of their state in order to pass a bill. How much would you be flipping your **** if Harry Reid just decided to start ignoring legal amendments, motions, and bills that Republicans put in the Senate?

    Whether or not you like it, abortion is legal and is a right as defined by the United States Supreme Court. Bills like this one are a blatant attempt to circumvent that right by removing access to it. Turn it around. Instead of banning guns, a state just makes it illegal to run a gun store in the state and makes it illegal to bring a gun across the state border. Hey, you can still own a gun! That state isn't taking away any of your rights. You wouldn't complain, would you?
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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The Republicans literally tried to cheat the
    rules of their state in order to pass a bill. How much would you be flipping your **** if Harry Reid just decided to start ignoring legal amendments, motions, and bills that Republicans put in the Senate?

    Whether or not you like it, abortion is legal and is a right as defined by the United States Supreme Court. Bills like this one are a blatant attempt to circumvent that right by removing access to it. Turn it around. Instead of banning guns, a state just makes it illegal to run a gun store in the state and makes it illegal to bring a gun across the state border. Hey, you can still own a gun! That state isn't taking away any of your rights. You wouldn't complain, would you?
    Your politicians target Conservatives via IRS harrasment, lie in front of Congress, ignore Contempt charges, leave people to die in Libya and then lie to the victims parents and your'e complaining about Texas puting limits on when a women can kill their babies ?

    Plueeze..

    " Democracy" this was not. We have cowardly Democrats in Texas and instead of adhering to true Democratic principles, they pitch a fit or run away out of state.

    Its why wer'e still a Republican run State.

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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Abortion is murder - plain and simple.

    Any mother that has an abortion should be charged with first degree murder if her life is not threatened by the child or as the immoral like to call them "fetus."

    Doctors who perform abortions should be charged with second degree murder for performing the procedure.

    I hope to God that anyone who does have a legal abortion feels shame, guilt and depression for the rest of their lives.

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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Your politicians target Conservatives via IRS harrasment, lie in front of Congress, ignore Contempt charges, leave people to die in Libya and then lie to the victims parents and your'e complaining about Texas puting limits on when a women can kill their babies ?

    Plueeze..

    " Democracy" this was not. We have cowardly Democrats in Texas and instead of adhering to true Democratic principles, they pitch a fit or run away out of state.

    Its why wer'e still a Republican run State.
    Nice attempt at a deflection there buddy, but you totally dodged the point. You call it "true Democratic principles." Does that include violating the established rules of the state congress? How come when a Democrat "runs away out of state," it's worthy of condemnation, but when a Republican literally ignores the rules when it suits him, you don't make a peep?

    Were you similarly critical of Republican filibusters during the whole Obamacare and immigration reform discussions at the Federal level? You don't think if the constitutionally-dictated 51 voters were the threshold instead of the filibuster-dictated 60 votes, the bill wouldn't have been a wee bit more "liberal?"

    Plus, you also totally ignored the fact that abortions are legal. Apparently it's totally ok to prevent people from accessing something the courts have decided is a right. So you're ok with de facto gun bans, right?
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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Abortion is murder - plain and simple.

    Any mother that has an abortion should be charged with first degree murder if her life is not threatened by the child or as the immoral like to call them "fetus."

    Doctors who perform abortions should be charged with second degree murder for performing the procedure.

    I hope to God that anyone who does have a legal abortion feels shame, guilt and depression for the rest of their lives.
    I disagree with you on only one aspect of what you have said - a contracted killing is a premeditated killing with malice aforethought; the killer's motive changes but the element of premeditation does not change.

    Contract killers are charged with murder in the first degree. In some jurisdictions, the act of killing for financial remuneration elevates the charge for both the killer and the client to capital murder.

    Granted I don't agree with capital punishment, but I'm just pointing out that killing innocent human beings for money generally gets you a minimum sentence of life in prison without possibility of parole. And that would be entirely appropriate for this sort of killing as well.
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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Abortion is murder - plain and simple.

    Any mother that has an abortion should be charged with first degree murder if her life is not threatened by the child or as the immoral like to call them "fetus."

    Doctors who perform abortions should be charged with second degree murder for performing the procedure.

    I hope to God that anyone who does have a legal abortion feels shame, guilt and depression for the rest of their lives.
    You have a right to wish that all you want. Just like those filthy liberals have the right to wish nobody could own a gun.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Texas abortion bill fails after Sen. Wendy Davis' filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I disagree with you on only one aspect of what you have said - a contracted killing is a premeditated killing with malice aforethought; the killer's motive changes but the element of premeditation does not change.

    Contract killers are charged with murder in the first degree. In some jurisdictions, the act of killing for financial remuneration elevates the charge for both the killer and the client to capital murder.

    Granted I don't agree with capital punishment, but I'm just pointing out that killing innocent human beings for money generally gets you a minimum sentence of life in prison without possibility of parole. And that would be entirely appropriate for this sort of killing as well.
    Isn't an abortion premeditated murder? The intent of the mother is to kill the child (her reasoning is moot) hence under most state statutes that constitutes first degree murder because the intent is there.

    With second degree murder intent isn't necessary. The hitman scenario fits perfectly. But at the same time you can still charge an abortion doctor with first degree murder if the doctor/individual performing the procedures intent was personal gain (money/fame etc).

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