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SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

wolfsgirl said:
The poll shows you that your claims are incorrect. More people approve of same sex MARRIAGE, and a decreasing number approve of civil unions.
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Seriously? Are you so thick that you want to claim that you can't approve of both civil unions and gay marriage with one merely being a preference? I approve of both steak and chicken. Given the choice of which I prefer, I'd usually choose steak. That doesn't mean I no longer approve of chicken. I think anyone who didn't check "no legal status" approves of civil unions. Just more of those people think marriage is the right type of civil union than before.
 
Papa bull said:
Seriously? Are you so thick that you want to claim that you can't approve of both civil unions and gay marriage with one merely being a preference? I approve of both steak and chicken. Given the choice of which I prefer, I'd usually choose steak. That doesn't mean I no longer approve of chicken. I think anyone who didn't check "no legal status" approves of civil unions. Just more of those people think marriage is the right type of civil union than before.
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Which directly contradicts your previous statement that more people would approve of civil unions over marriage.
Approval for civil unions is DECLINING, approval for marriage is INCREASING.
 
Papa bull said:
In recent polls there was widespread support for civil unions but a lot less for marriage. If homosexuals haven't been rejecting civil unions for the same of suing for marriage I think that they would be in place in all 50 States very quickly.

I would have supported them. I probably will not going forward. Maybe I'll change my mind if the rhetoric lightens but I'll have to see. Suffice to say that the meme of the sympathetic poor homosexuals deprived of rights has been replaced with militant homosexuals giving this country the finger.
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wolfsgirl said:
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Papa bull said:
Seriously? Are you so thick that you want to claim that you can't approve of both civil unions and gay marriage with one merely being a preference? I approve of both steak and chicken. Given the choice of which I prefer, I'd usually choose steak. That doesn't mean I no longer approve of chicken. I think anyone who didn't check "no legal status" approves of civil unions. Just more of those people think marriage is the right type of civil union than before.
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So my poll shows that your original statement of widespread support for civil unions, but "a lot less for marriage" is incorrect.
In fact it shows the exact OPPOSITE of what you claimed.
 
Papa bull said:
In recent polls there was widespread support for civil unions but a lot less for marriage. If homosexuals haven't been rejecting civil unions for the same of suing for marriage I think that they would be in place in all 50 States very quickly.

I would have supported them. I probably will not going forward. Maybe I'll change my mind if the rhetoric lightens but I'll have to see. Suffice to say that the meme of the sympathetic poor homosexuals deprived of rights has been replaced with militant homosexuals giving this country the finger.
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If Civil unions are so equal to marriage, why not make all "Marriage" licenses civil unions then? It seems utterly stupid to make up a new category for the same thing. There is no end to the bureaucracy you Right wingers want to fund.
 
wolfsgirl said:
So my poll shows that your original statement of widespread support for civil unions, but "a lot less for marriage" is incorrect.
In fact it shows the exact OPPOSITE of what you claimed.
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You are being intentionally obtuse. Those that don't check the "no legal status" would support civil unions with only some contrarians as exceptions. Only if there was a multiple choice and respondents were asked to select all positions they support could you have an answer and I am confident that answer would be that those who support marriage are merely a subset of those that also support civil unions. I think you have to try really hard to pretend you cannot comprehend this.
 
wolfsgirl said:
The poll shows you that your claims are incorrect. More people approve of same sex MARRIAGE, and a decreasing number approve of civil unions.
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yeah except that when the people actually vote on it, the picture is far different than what these polls say.

Tim-
 
iguanaman said:
If Civil unions are so equal to marriage, why not make all "Marriage" licenses civil unions then? It seems utterly stupid to make up a new category for he same thing.
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I've proposed that, myself. Would solve the bickering, wouldn't it?
 
Papa bull said:
You are being intentionally obtuse. Those that don't check the "no legal status" would support civil unions with only some contrarians as exceptions. Only if there was a multiple choice and respondents were asked to select all positions they support could you have an answer and I am confident that answer would be that those who support marriage are merely a subset of those that also support civil unions. I think you have to try really hard to pretend you cannot comprehend this.
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No you are being obtuse, you refuse to accept the fact that I actually produced a poll that said the exact opposite of what you claim your poll said (which can not be verified since you didn't link to a poll to begin with)

I know it is hard to admit you were incorrect, even after you have been proven to be so.
 
Hicup said:
yeah except that when the people actually vote on it, the picture is far different than what these polls say.

Tim-
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You mean like in the 4 states that recently voted to allow SSM?
 
wolfsgirl said:
You mean like in the 4 states that recently voted to allow SSM?
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Oh you mean the state legislatures? Those four? Actually in all but one, MA, where a judge ruled for the people, the state legislatures decided for the people. WHENEVER the issue has come to a vote by the people, the gay agenda has lost!


Tim-
 
Papa bull said:
If I'm going to be accused of being a hating bigot then I've got nothing to lose by acting like one. And I've been accused of hate a few times too many merely for arguing that civil unions are a reasonable solution. Screw it. You want a culture war. Then so it is and you pushed me to the other side of it.
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Just as the Moral Fascists on the right try to promote their "moral superiority" by telling lies, they promote their belief in "personal responsibility" by blaming others for their bigoted views

No one made you believe anything. You own your beliefs. Time to man up and take responsibility for your bigoted opinions
 
wolfsgirl said:
No you are being obtuse, you refuse to accept the fact that I actually produced a poll that said the exact opposite of what you claim your poll said (which can not be verified since you didn't link to a poll to begin with)

I know it is hard to admit you were incorrect, even after you have been proven to be so.
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I'm starting to think maybe you're not just stubborn. Maybe you are too thick to get it. The fact someone supports gay marriage does not mean they do not support civil unions. When asked to choose which they think would be best, it is ignorant to assume any answer automatically means non-support for any other.

Let's test this out with you....

You obviously think gay marriage is the best solution. Do you oppose civil unions? Hawaii has civil unions. Do you not support civil unions in Hawaii?

By your specious assertion, if you think gay marriage is the best solution then you don't support Hawaii's civil union... i.e., you would take that away from them if given the option. Is that really the way you feel?
 
sangha said:
Just as the Moral Fascists on the right try to promote their "moral superiority" by telling lies, they promote their belief in "personal responsibility" by blaming others for their bigoted views

No one made you believe anything. You own your beliefs. Time to man up and take responsibility for your bigoted opinions
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I think that would apply to everyone, wouldn't it? You, included. I seriously doubt you have any tolerance for "moral fascists", even that label is ignorant and biased. Own your bigotry.
 
Papa bull said:
I think that would apply to everyone, wouldn't it? You, included. I seriously doubt you have any tolerance for "moral fascists", even that label is ignorant and biased. Own your bigotry.
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And the Moral Fascists also like to demonstrate their opposition to moral relativism with "mature" arguments like "You do it too!"

The right wing has no principles. Just bumper sticker slogans that they chant when it's convenient, and ignore when it comes to their own behavior.

And when someone calls them on it, they whine about being oppressed because someone disagreed with them.

That's why they're such losers. The american people reject their weak and whiny "ideology"

Enjoy your poutrage
 
sangha said:
And the Moral Fascists also like to demonstrate their opposition to moral relativism with "mature" arguments like "You do it too!"
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Holy crap. A pinko accusing the right of "moral relativism". Don't quit your day job. Your comedy isn't working.
 
Papa bull said:
I think bias is skewing your perspective or your perspective takes in a broad scope of time with a lot of change in between. The pro SSM side has been snarling rabidly at anyone and everyone that does not go along with their agenda without question. Count up the references to racists, nzi's and "hate-filled bigots" and see which side has the winning tally.
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well if they weren't such hate filled sociopathic control freak bullies we wouldn't call them bigots.
 
captainawesome said:
well if they weren't such hate filled sociopathic control freak bullies we wouldn't call them bigots.
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Right... you only call people who disagree with you hate-filled control freak bullies and bigots because that's what people who disagree with you are. :roll:
 
Papa bull said:
Holy crap. A pinko accusing the right of "moral relativism". Don't quit your day job. Your comedy isn't working.
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The childish hate on the right results in them making arguments like "I'm rubber, you're glue"

Too many of them don't have a lick of sense in them
 
Hicup said:
Oh you mean the state legislatures? Those four? Actually in all but one, MA, where a judge ruled for the people, the state legislatures decided for the people. WHENEVER the issue has come to a vote by the people, the gay agenda has lost!


Tim-
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I wonder why since Gays make up a whole 3% of the population. Votes to discriminate against minorities are not valid in America. Soon us whites will be Very glad about that.
 
sangha said:
The childish hate on the right results in them making arguments like "I'm rubber, you're glue"

Too many of them don't have a lick of sense in them
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Yeah... the nerve they have to see things differently than you do. They deserve to be called whatever names you want and they shouldn't take offense to that.

Whatever. All you do is strengthen their resolve. So keep up with the hate speech and ugly rhetoric and see where it gets you. :)
 
Hicup said:
Oh you mean the state legislatures? Those four? Actually in all but one, MA, where a judge ruled for the people, the state legislatures decided for the people. WHENEVER the issue has come to a vote by the people, the gay agenda has lost!


Tim-
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Maine Maryland and Washington state approved by voter referendum.
 
Papa bull said:
Right... you only call people who disagree with you hate-filled control freak bullies and bigots because that's what people who disagree with you are. :roll:
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Not at all people disagree with me all the time and are not.

Those who want to deny equality are.
 
Papa bull said:
Yeah... the nerve they have to see things differently than you do. They deserve to be called whatever names you want and they shouldn't take offense to that.

Whatever. All you do is strengthen their resolve. So keep up with the hate speech and ugly rhetoric and see where it gets you. :)
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The Moral Fascists who think they gain something by claiming that those who want to protect the rights of people are bigots, and with threats to become more extreme, just demonstrate why they are such LOSERS.

History is leaving them behind. Like the dinosaurs, they are dying out.

Enjoy the poutrage.
 
Papa bull said:
I'm starting to think maybe you're not just stubborn. Maybe you are too thick to get it. The fact someone supports gay marriage does not mean they do not support civil unions. When asked to choose which they think would be best, it is ignorant to assume any answer automatically means non-support for any other.

Let's test this out with you....

You obviously think gay marriage is the best solution. Do you oppose civil unions? Hawaii has civil unions. Do you not support civil unions in Hawaii?

By your specious assertion, if you think gay marriage is the best solution then you don't support Hawaii's civil union... i.e., you would take that away from them if given the option. Is that really the way you feel?
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I'm starting to think that you can not read polls. You specifically said that more people supported civil unions than marriage. I showed you that you were incorrect.

You still haven't even produced this poll you said backs up your claim.
 
DOMA was decided after taking away voting rights for one very smart reason. I do not see folks talking about voting wrongs since the DOMA ruling. The political theatre of the SCOTUS Corruptus knows no bounds. Both rulings help the Repubs. DOMA will reenergize the wrong-wing social engineers who have been at it since the 1980's and were despised by Goldwater.

Repub wings hate each other more than they hate Dems. How do Dems work with a party in which members hate each other and can't form a coherent position on much of anything important today? Voting wrongs--well that started in modern times with Nixon. In our history, it became ingrained after the civil war with the southern cons who are now Repubs. Today's high tech Jim Crow laws and maneuverings would make them proud.
 
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