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SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

shrubnose said:
Those who lost last November will stay on the wrong (Losing.) side of every social issue and continue to lose in the future.

Hard to believe, but wait and see what happens.
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Me, I'm just smiling.
 
Re: DOMA unconstitutional. 5-4 decision.

AGENT J said:
the question has been answered
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... lol
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You didn't list the rights you claimed other people have that you are being denied.
Either list them or simply admit you're shooting blanks so we can end this.
 
Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose

Those who lost last November will stay on the wrong (Losing.) side of every social issue and continue to lose in the future.

Hard to believe, but wait and see what happens.
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shrubnose said:
Me, I'm just smiling.
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Hey Shrub ... no need to talk to yourself ... you're my shmoopy ... I'll talk to you
 
mac said:
By a very slim margin.
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Yes but as history is showing each year it gathers more and more support. Those against SSM are simply on the losing side of history.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
And yet the MAJORITY of Americans disagree with you. Don't forget that.
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Yeah... I"m not so sure you can simultaneously lean on the validity and power of a majority opinion while also celebrating the effective annulment of Prop 8....
 
yobarnacle said:
I said in more than one post, that acceptance of homosexuality is a symptom concurrent with and predictive of a civilizations fall.
"Those who don't study history, are doomed to repeat it." The dumbing down of America is REAL!
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Ummm no it's not predictive. Anymore than a civilization rising means it will fall. Greece accepted homosexuality before it's rise to grandeur, many of the scholars we cite on some subjects also believed same sex acts were required to fully develop the adult. Alexander the Great's army practiced homosexuality as it conquered the then known world. The Sacred Band of Thebes was a crack military unit of male lovers.

Rome practiced homosexual before it rose to greatness. It borrowed much of it's practices from the Greeks. What collapsed the Roman Empire was not gays but the loss of the Middle Class, as Rome became a city of a few elite super wealthy and a vast serf class. Apathy toward the state by the serfs meant Rome couldn't count on mass levies in times of invasion. Roman politics became so internally fierce the nation suffered both internally and externally.

Study history, not bigotry, you'll be amazed.... and yes America has dumbed down, some of we seem intent on accepting junk science as the last desperate attempt to avoid progress.
 
yobarnacle said:
Under 1st amendment I can SAY offensive things if I wish1 That's my right. You do NOT have a right to be not offended! Not YET anyway. God forbid you ever do.

Flaunting is parading around and deliberately calling attention to yourself because, well maybe you didn't get enough attention when you were little?
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No, I mean in public. Flaunting your heterosexuality by kissing a woman. It's offensive, did you lack attention as a child?
 
cpwill said:
Yeah... I"m not so sure you can simultaneously lean on the validity and power of a majority opinion while also celebrating the effective annulment of Prop 8....
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Oh hush. Don't point stuff like that out. That a right wing state like California has such a proposition just points out that state's inherent bigotry toward gays.
 
cpwill said:
Yeah... I"m not so sure you can simultaneously lean on the validity and power of a majority opinion while also celebrating the effective annulment of Prop 8....
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Like how conservatives back unconstitutional actions (prop 8) under the veil of "will of the people." While simultaneously whining constantly about how their imagined version of the constitution is being violated.
 
Deuce said:
Like how conservatives back unconstitutional actions (prop 8) under the veil of "will of the people." While simultaneously whining constantly about how their imagined version of the constitution is being violated.
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Hey look!

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A strawman!
 
cpwill said:
Hey look!

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A strawman!
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Which part don't conservatives do? They don't talk about the "will of the people" regarding prop 8? They don't constantly refer to various Obama administration actions as unconstitutional?

You were trying to point out some sort of hypocrisy, so I did the same.
 
Navy Pride said:
I believe God is watching and the SCOTUS made a terrible mistake today by one vote. I believe this just another step until the end of the world
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Just curious, which God might that be? One of them? All of them? Your God? Some other guy's God? What if a person does not believe in God . . . do they not have a say?
 
Re: DOMA unconstitutional. 5-4 decision.

bubbabgone said:
You didn't list the rights you claimed other people have that you are being denied.
Either list them or simply admit you're shooting blanks so we can end this.
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you think this game will work dont you LOL it failed posts ago when your made up fantasy was exposed. That was the end and now your deflection is failing

the question was answered and ill answer it AGAIN

here was the answer in post 361
AGENT J said:
well the two arguments that have won or are gaining traction are this. If i was gay unfair discrimination and a violation of equality as stated by courts in rulings and the second is the argument of gender discrimination not ruled on by courts yet but heard and also stated by courts themselves as possibilities of inequality.
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so to fill in the blanks, rights not to be unfairly discriminated against, equality protections and marriage would all be an issue

NOW if you would stop dodging and tell us all why you think theres a logical reason you think marriage will be forced or are you trying to pretend that didnt happen and you didnt shoot a huge blank on that already

fail
 
shrubnose said:
Better start building your rapture bunker.

Have a nice day.

"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." Robert Green Ingersoll.
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Navy Pride woke up to the nightmare that he should have expected for a long time. Yesterday was a bad day to be a bigot in America.
 
Gaius46 said:
That will only grow over time given the demographics of SSM supporters. Significant majorities of young people support SSM.
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True. The opponents of marriage equality are losing the war in every arena: The Courts and even in the realm of public opinion. The bigots of the world are desperately clinging to the last vestiges of discrimination but it is inevitable that they will fail. That is why Scalia was so vitriolic in his dissent.
 
yobarnacle said:
I am one person, one opinion, one vote. But many think and feel similarly as I do. I do not presume to speak for anyone else, yet I do speak a concern shared by many millions of americans.

Supreme court justices can ALSO be impeached.

Can a US Supreme Court justice be impeached and removed from office

We will have to wait until 2014 to see if wimpy congress gets any courage by infusion of fresh blood. :)
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Many felt it was morally wrong for interracial couples to get married (many, many more than those who are currently against same sex marriage). The SCOTUS still struck down those bans and they still remained in office. Your threats are foolish.
 
The people against SSM lack logic and reason. Saying that God hates fags is no different than taking personal ownership and saying you hate them. And actually, using God as a smoke screen for your own bigotry is an insult to every person of faith on this planet who works hard to love their neighbor. Shame on people who invoke the word "God" to justify their hatred. Take responsibility for the way YOU feel and stop projecting.

The striking down of DOMA was only logical. Either the States get to decide or they don't.
 
yobarnacle said:
I am one person, one opinion, one vote. But many think and feel similarly as I do. I do not presume to speak for anyone else, yet I do speak a concern shared by many millions of americans.

Supreme court justices can ALSO be impeached.

Can a US Supreme Court justice be impeached and removed from office

We will have to wait until 2014 to see if wimpy congress gets any courage by infusion of fresh blood. :)
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roguenuke said:
Many felt it was morally wrong for interracial couples to get married (many, many more than those who are currently against same sex marriage). The SCOTUS still struck down those bans and they still remained in office. Your threats are foolish.
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A little bit of knowledge for the deniers
Most Americans support gay marriage, up from 32 percent a decade ago | al.com

An April poll conducted by the Wall Street Journal and NBC News found that 53 percent of Americans favored allowing same-sex couples to wed. Ten years earlier, support for gay marriage was at just 32 percent, the Journal notes.

Says the Journal's David Wessel: "Attitudes toward gay marriage have changed faster than attitudes about any other social issue in recent American history."
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At the time of the Loving decision in 1967, more than 60% of Americans were against interracial marriage. The Virginia judge who first ruled against the Lovings said at the time of his decision:
"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."
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Today only in Mississippi do more people favour banning interracial marriage than support it.

So when yobarnacle writes, "many think and feel similarly as I do" he is correct but sadly for him and other bigots, many does not translate into most. The trends are on the side of those who don't think any Americans should be kept from enjoying the same rights and privileges as other Americans.
 
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A breaking report on the reaction to the Supreme Court ruling:

[h=5]I hear gunshots. There's a mob of hoodlums down the street, on rollerblades with pink headbands, pulling couples out of their homes and forcing them to get gay married at gunpoint. The cops say there's nothing they can do. Good thing Allison took the car today, the lady two doors down from us has Texas plates on her car and they're blasting her house with lolotov glitterbombs. I ran to the window, opened it up and put Party Giraffe on full display, festooned as he is with a shimmering tinsel boa and a pink lightsaber. They'll know who's side I'm on.[/h]
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Somerville said:
A little bit of knowledge for the deniers


At the time of the Loving decision in 1967, more than 60% of Americans were against interracial marriage. The Virginia judge who first ruled against the Lovings said at the time of his decision:

Today only in Mississippi do more people favour banning interracial marriage than support it.

So when yobarnacle writes, "many think and feel similarly as I do" he is correct but sadly for him and other bigots, many does not translate into most. The trends are on the side of those who don't think any Americans should be kept from enjoying the same rights and privileges as other Americans.
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Speaking of Mississippi, when is the SCOTUS going to rule witch burning unconstitutional?
 
roguenuke said:
Many felt it was morally wrong for interracial couples to get married (many, many more than those who are currently against same sex marriage). The SCOTUS still struck down those bans and they still remained in office. Your threats are foolish.
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solletica said:
Speaking of Mississippi, when is the SCOTUS going to rule witch burning unconstitutional?
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I would think first you would have to have a case in which a witch has been burned, or has been ordered to be burned, after being condemned under the laws of one of the states. No such law - then no need for the SCOTUS to rule on any such action.
 
disneydude said:
Navy Pride woke up to the nightmare that he should have expected for a long time. Yesterday was a bad day to be a bigot in America.
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The far-right evangelicals and others lost this battle and they will lose many more in the future.

They are on the wrong (Losing.) side of every social issue.

But, unfortunately, I doubt that many, if any, of them will ever accept reality.

Their faith is too strong, and their stupidity runs too deep. They are True Believers.

They will go to their graves unhappy that others don't accept their vision of what their God wants to happen.

And I will continue to laugh at their wrongheaded foolishness. :lol:



"Man has created God in his own vision: intolerant, sexist, homophobic, and violent." ~ Marie
 
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yobarnacle said:
"My argument is, what happens, has ALWAYS happened, to societies that DID and WHEN it accepted homosexuality. "
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"And that's an appeal to tradition logical fallacy which doesn't pass the logic test."

Logic test? It's history. What logic test?

I've given you a couple of studies, and there are at least dozens, showing symptoms shared by societies in decline, failing, falling.

History has been studied longer than psychology! :)
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Many people on the right would like to see America fail, so that they could say President Obama failed.

America will not fail, it will survive and prosper.

The right will fail.

In about thirty years massive demographic change in the USA (That is going on right now, most babies born right now are born to mothers other than non-Hispanic Whites. Do the math.) will reduce the GOP to a minor, regional, party with no national power.

Don't think so?

Wait and see.

No one can stop time and/or change.

Have a nice day. And a long, wonderful, life in the new, tolerant, America.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes but as history is showing each year it gathers more and more support. Those against SSM are simply on the losing side of history.
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Actually, history shows that these types of things fluctuate up and down.
 
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