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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Why are homosexuals arguing over a name? Call them civil unions and most of the bickering goes away. But nooooooo..... homosexuals want to argue over a name. It does take two to argue, you know.
    we argue over the term because calling the same thing two different things is stupid and overly complex.

    Marriage is already a civil union.

    Why do you want to argue over a name?

    I do because separate is not equal. There is not interracial civil union. separate drinking fountains are not equal.

    if you want to just make it civil union for everyone I would be OK with it.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In our laws, x = y.....
    Yeah? I don't think you'd want the boys football team showering in the cheerleaders locker room, would you? Why not? X = Y. No difference. Right?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Marriage is defined as this: [xy]

    Homosexuals want the definition expanded to: [xy;xx;yy]

    that is "extending".
    Oh, I agree that there will be more PEOPLE getting married, the context was that "rights would be extended". No, rights would not be extended, they exist already they would just stop being denied.

    Prop 8 was a denial, a banning, of the state recognizing a marriage.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    we argue over the term because calling the same thing two different things is stupid and overly complex.

    Marriage is already a civil union.

    Why do you want to argue over a name?

    I do because separate is not equal. There is not interracial civil union. separate drinking fountains are not equal.

    if you want to just make it civil union for everyone I would be OK with it.
    I'd be OK with that, too. But then if those horrid awful "evanglicals" decided to start calling their version something else, would you still have your panties in a wad over it?
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Yeah? I don't think you'd want the boys football team showering in the cheerleaders locker room, would you? Why not? X = Y. No difference. Right?
    Actually, I couldn't care less if we had no gender based bathrooms/restrooms/locker rooms. At one of my duty assignments in the Navy there were no actual changing rooms in our work space and the guys simply changed by the lockers in the back. I was the first woman to ever fill a billet in that shop so for the first week or so, I changed at the gym. I got tired of walking all that way, and talked to my LPO/LCPO and arranged to change in back with the guys. If they didn't want to change with me, they could wait or change before me, but it didn't bother me to change with them and it didn't bother most of them to change with me.

    But I qualified that as being within a marriage. We are talking specifically about marriage and the laws of marriage. In those laws, x = y.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I'd be OK with that, too. But then if those horrid awful "evanglicals" decided to start calling their version something else, would you still have your panties in a wad over it?
    I don't care what any individual calls it. it is what government calls it that is the issue.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Tell ya what. You just go ahead and duke it out with CptAwsum over this.
    No, it was directed at your continual assertion that civil unions have the same protections and legal standing as marriage.

    This is just more denial of the facts by you.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Yeah? I don't think you'd want the boys football team showering in the cheerleaders locker room, would you? Why not? X = Y. No difference. Right?
    LOL....gay HS students ALREADY shower with each other!

    FFS....what you are worried about are hetero's !!!
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Oh, I agree that there will be more PEOPLE getting married, the context was that "rights would be extended". No, rights would not be extended, they exist already they would just stop being denied.

    Prop 8 was a denial, a banning, of the state recognizing a marriage.
    It was not abotu "recognizing a marriage". It was about retaining the traditional definition of marriage. You can't recognize a chicken as a duck unless you redefine duck to include birds that don't have webbed feet, don't go quack and go cluck cluck cluck instead. In the USA, marriage was always understood to be a man and a woman. The notion that it could be anything else is very new and not everyone buys it. Many think it's a perverse form of insanity. I was on the fence about it and have only taken a hard anti-SSM stance based on the attitude of it's proponents (including my little brother, who can also kiss my ass) that anyone who doesn't see things their way is a vile hater.

    Thanks to all the nastiness from militant homosexual advocates, I will campaign against homosexual marriage at every opportunity and not be content to just "see what everyone wants to do" from a disconnected and ambivalent point of view. You folks wanted to get people involved and damned if you aren't being very successful in your efforts. I'd wager I'm not the only one that that has been turned to a hardline position by the hate-speech of the SSM advocates, either.

    The fact that none of these people can understand why people born in a time when there was no hint that marriage would, could or should ever be anything but what it is are having a hard time accepting that this "evolution" is a good thing. And worst of all, most of the punks running their mouths about homosexual marriage have no intention whatsoever of ever BEING in a homosexual marriage. It's all about "proving a point" and getting attention for them.

    We'll just see how it works out over time. I'll do my part at the grass roots level to campaign against it until I get the impression that there's more to it than an anti-boredom campaign for a bunch of angry red-assed attention whores looking for something to do to make them feel "alive" by "changing" everything they can change.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL....gay HS students ALREADY shower with each other!

    FFS....what you are worried about are hetero's !!!
    That's my point. Apparently everyone worry about the "heteros" because there is no XY shower in high schools for the boys and girls to experience their "equality".
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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