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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And if marriage came to a vote, most people would support it according to recent polls
    The only poll that will count is the one where we actually vote on issues, not merely opinions. This issue will go state by state and demographics, communities and standards are different. What works for California isn't necessarily what the people in Idaho want. That's why States rights are so important.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The only poll that will count is the one where we actually vote on issues, not merely opinions. This issue will go state by state and demographics, communities and standards are different. What works for California isn't necessarily what the people in Idaho want. That's why States rights are so important.
    Individual rights is what is important.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Individual rights is what is important.
    I agree. I also think homosexuals currently have all the same rights everyone else has and that demanding the state change the definition of it's sanctioned entities to accommodate your aberrant preferences isn't a right. In fact, the first clue about a "right" is that it doesn't require the government to take an action for you (like issue a marriage license). A right is something that you have the power to do for yourself. Speak for yourself. Move to another state yourself. Go to a meeting. Defend yourself. It's always a good first test for a "right". If it requires anyone else doing anything for you, it's not a right.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I agree. I also think homosexuals currently have all the same rights everyone else has and that demanding the state change the definition of it's sanctioned entities to accommodate your aberrant preferences isn't a right. In fact, the first clue about a "right" is that it doesn't require the government to take an action for you (like issue a marriage license). A right is something that you have the power to do for yourself. Speak for yourself. Move to another state yourself. Go to a meeting. Defend yourself. It's always a good first test for a "right". If it requires anyone else doing anything for you, it's not a right.
    So then I will ask you for the tenth or so time, why did Mr. and Mrs. Loving get the right to marry? According to you, you don't need a license for a right (which is wrong anyway, but going off this contention). They shouldn't have been granted marriage, according to your contention in those states where they didn't allow those of different races to marry.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I agree. I also think homosexuals currently have all the same rights everyone else has
    A woman doesn't have same right I have in marriage to marry a woman.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The only poll that will count is the one where we actually vote on issues, not merely opinions. This issue will go state by state and demographics, communities and standards are different. What works for California isn't necessarily what the people in Idaho want. That's why States rights are so important.
    Individual rights are much more important. It is foolish to limit the federal government to becoming a tyranny of the majority, only to allow the smaller, state governments to do so.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So then I will ask you for the tenth or so time, why did Mr. and Mrs. Loving get the right to marry? According to you, you don't need a license for a right (which is wrong anyway, but going off this contention). They shouldn't have been granted marriage, according to your contention in those states where they didn't allow those of different races to marry.
    They got permission to marry, not the "right" to marry. You don't a need license to exercise a right. Do you need a license to vote? Do you need a license to speak? Do you need a license to attend a church?

    Of course not. Those are rights.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    A woman doesn't have same right I have in marriage to marry a woman.
    She has the same "right" to marry someone of the opposite sex that you do. And the same "right" to marry someone of the same sex that you do. The rights are equal and that's assuming incorrectly that marriage is a "right". It may be a natural outcome of the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but requiring a marriage means it is not a right... you can't marry your first cousin. You could if marriage was a right.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    They got permission to marry, not the "right" to marry.
    Wrong!

    The court stated CLEARLY that their basic right to marry could not be denied by Virginia. The court DID NOT give them any kind of "permission".

    Stop with the horrible, imprecise, language.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    She has the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex that you do. The rights are equal and that's assuming incorrectly that marriage is a "right".
    Marriage is a right and it is not equal when I can enter into a legal contract with a woman and a woman can't with another woman.

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