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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nothing!

    His claim that the opponents of SSM supported civil unions is a lie. The same people who oppose SSM also opposed civil unions.

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    SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nothing!

    His claim that the opponents of SSM supported civil unions is a lie. The same people who oppose SSM also opposed civil unions.

    The Moral Fascists on the right always try to demonstrate their supposed moral superiority by using lies in their arguments
    You are making this up as you go along. I didn't say that ALL those who were against gay marriage supported civil unions but MANY did and still would.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's from your perspective. From mine, your side is spouting far more hate-speech than mine and has been from the very begining... and just reading these forums it's blatantly obvious. And I've been here for 7 years. There have certainly been hateful folks on my side of the issue, but I would say the ratio is about 4:1 with the "4" being on your side.
    I think bias is skewing your perspective or your perspective takes in a broad scope of time with a lot of change in between. The pro SSM side has been snarling rabidly at anyone and everyone that does not go along with their agenda without question. Count up the references to racists, nzi's and "hate-filled bigots" and see which side has the winning tally.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You are making this up as you go along. I didn't say that ALL those who were against gay marriage supported civil unions but MANY did and still would.
    Why do those on the right have to use lies to rationalize their imagined moral superiority?

    The right wing opponents of SSM were overwhelmingly opposed to gay civil unions.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You are making this up as you go along. I didn't say that ALL those who were against gay marriage supported civil unions but MANY did and still would.
    Which must be why 20 states have constitutional bans on all same sex unions of any kind? Because so many against gay marriage are for same sex civil unions.

    Only 9 states have bans against same sex marriage only in their constitutions. And in Alaska, people have been trying to pass a ban on civil unions as well, despite already having a ban on marriage in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which must be why 20 states have constitutional bans on all same sex unions of any kind? Because so many against gay marriage are for same sex civil unions.

    Only 9 states have bans against same sex marriage only in their constitutions. And in Alaska, people have been trying to pass a ban on civil unions as well, despite already having a ban on marriage in place.
    The vitriol and name calling from the left over this has been so vehement and obnoxious that ID vote against civil unions, myself, right now out of pure antipathy. The same left insisting on changing the definition of marriage has been utterly uncaring about gun rights or even protecting babies past the first trimester. There hasn't been any sense of empathy and I think battle lines are merely hardening. My position became more entrenched since the decision and all the subsequent hate-speech from the left. I know it can't be just me. I think its stupid of the left to goad their opponents into stiffer opposition but it seems that is what the intentions are. Whatever. The lines are drawn and positions hardened and I guess we will see how that works out for you. I wonder how many billions you will spend just trying to prove a point.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The vitriol and name calling from the left over this has been so vehement and obnoxious that ID vote against civil unions, myself, right now out of pure antipathy. The same left insisting on changing the definition of marriage has been utterly uncaring about gun rights or even protecting babies past the first trimester. There hasn't been any sense of empathy and I think battle lines are merely hardening. My position became more entrenched since the decision and all the subsequent hate-speech from the left. I know it can't be just me. I think its stupid of the left to goad their opponents into stiffer opposition but it seems that is what the intentions are. Whatever. The lines are drawn and positions hardened and I guess we will see how that works out for you. I wonder how many billions you will spend just trying to prove a point.
    Yes, it was horrible the way the left compared gays with pedophiles and beastiality while the right held their tongue
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    SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, it was horrible the way the left compared gays with pedophiles and beastiality while the right held their tongue
    Funny. The left actually think it's worse to call someone a bigot or racist than a sexual deviant or pedophile. Go figure.

    And one more thing. This kind of nasty and dishonest crap like you just posted again just stiffens the differences. Homosexuals weren't being compared to animal livers and kid touchers. The fact that some arguments homosexual advocates are making would apply as well to kid touchers and animal lovers may be not be a truth you like to hear but it is what it is. It does not however compare them and I don't feel they are comparable behaviors. No one I know does. But you can wind yourself up over it, anyway. That's your prerogative. Just know that folks see that faux indignation for what it is. You aren't fooling anyone.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    There have been voices of hate on the preservation of marriage side but that was no reason for activists to snarl and bite the hand offering civil unions with all the trappings and rights of marriage. At this point, your side is spouting more hate-speech than those opposing homosexual marriage. Just reading these forums, it is blatantly obvious.
    Offering civil unions? States that didn't have same sex marriage and had constitutional amendments against same sex marriage then went on to outlaw civil unions too.

    Who is offering civil unions?
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The vitriol and name calling from the left over this has been so vehement and obnoxious that ID vote against civil unions, myself, right now out of pure antipathy. The same left insisting on changing the definition of marriage has been utterly uncaring about gun rights or even protecting babies past the first trimester. There hasn't been any sense of empathy and I think battle lines are merely hardening. My position became more entrenched since the decision and all the subsequent hate-speech from the left. I know it can't be just me. I think its stupid of the left to goad their opponents into stiffer opposition but it seems that is what the intentions are. Whatever. The lines are drawn and positions hardened and I guess we will see how that works out for you. I wonder how many billions you will spend just trying to prove a point.
    Most of these bans were in place before the major fights even started. Don't try it. You can't claim that they were "bullied" into this. It simply isn't true. The states took this position because of disapproval of homosexuality, not because many just didn't want to share the word marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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