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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You started out well but ended poorly, reverting to the benefits. BTW, no one benefits society by getting married unless society has some definition of what marriage is...
    It has been proven that marriage/married people benefit society.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Your "benefits" work both ways. What specifics benefits did you want that could not be obtained in another way?
    Military benefits. Recognition of legal spouse. Being able to claim spousal SS or for my husband to do this when the time comes as a backup if needed. Among a few. The military benefits were major at the time considering I was active duty and he wasn't.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It has been proven that marriage/married people benefit society.
    In what way? I will agree that families can be a benefit, but marriage is not necessary for that as a couple can live together without the recognition of marriage by a state entity...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It has been proven that marriage/married people benefit society.
    It has? What is the benefit? Keep in mind it has to do with marriage itself.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Military benefits. Recognition of legal spouse. Being able to claim spousal SS or for my husband to do this when the time comes as a backup if needed. Among a few. The military benefits were major at the time considering I was active duty and he wasn't.
    So, as I originally posited, it's all about the benefits...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It has been proven that marriage/married people benefit society.
    A man and woman who stay together to raise their children is a benefit to society and there is no doubt about that. However this law does not say that men and women cannot continue as has been customary and follow the traditional path. It only allows Gays to marry. That's it.

    I doubt men and women will stop getting married, having children, raising them to be good citizens, and doing all the things necessary to keep society moving along. This is just a side show and will soon go unnoticed. The big deal is the debt, and the corruption and intrusion of the government into a formerly free society. That will kill traditional marriage and the country far more thoroughly and quickly than Gays marrying will.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    In what way? I will agree that families can be a benefit, but marriage is not necessary for that as a couple can live together without the recognition of marriage by a state entity...
    In order for him to get TriCare or a dependent ID, we had to be married. Plus, my BAH went up when we got married (although it was only a little).
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Some ways that marriage benefits society.

    Jim David: Sorry, NOM, But Same-Sex Marriage Has Actual Benefits

    Why Marriage Is Good For You by Maggie Gallagher, City Journal Autumn 2000

    The Economic Benefits of Gay Marriage | PBS NewsHour

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...o7yf6NnyKeVRaA

    There is no reason to believe that these same benefits would not be seen in same sex couples, at least to some degree. And, the economy benefit cannot be ignored. Even beyond taxes, being married means families are less likely to be on welfare or need longterm assistance. There are going to be either of two adults that can provide health insurance for the family, which is important if one of them doesn't have a job.

    I'll even use a source that is pretty right wing/conservative to show the benefits of marriage because there is no logical reason why these benefits, at the very least most of them if not all, would not be seen in same sex couples as well.

    Marriage and Welfare Reform: The Overwhelming Evidence that Marriage Education Works
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    I remember in the 60s, homosexuals wanted to be left alone, they weren't hurting anybody.

    Now, they don't want to be left alone. They want EVERYBODY they can get on their side!

    they are NOT content to live quietly, but want to remake society to suit themselves.

    They ARE a danger to traditional American society and values, and subverting our youth.

    deny these statements if you can!
    I am glad that they are part of replacing traditional America with something a bit less close-minded, bigoted, rigid, and backwards than what we have had.

    Deny these statements if you can.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Wiki has a good nutshell summary. Feel free to explore the references.

    History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ah, no. You made a claim. It's not my job to do your research for you. Let's see the data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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