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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes, they do. Look at abortion. Views shift.
    Abortion is a very different subject. There are two identifiable parties (at least) that are measurably affected negatively on either side of the abortion issue in every case, and that is just taking into account the mother and the unborn child. Two parties (at least) have their rights involved and it is a question of which one's rights should be protected above the other person's. It is actually similar to the Death Penalty issue, at least much more than restrictions on marriage.

    This issue is not like abortion or the DP. It is like interracial marriage. When people enter into marriage, they are entering into a personal contract that is granted benefits and rights by the government due to the nature of the relationship. Only one side legitimately has their rights in question when just considering restrictions on marriage based on race, religion, or sex/gender (not the laws that may go with it pertaining to all marriages/people).
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes, they do. Look at abortion. Views shift.
    People who were for civil rights when they were young, did not shift their views when they were older. LGBT rights will not lessen in the future, and religious support for denying LGBT rights will wane. This is a fact you will have to get used too.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Just as Joe McCarthy warned in the 50s, the socialists have taken over the education and media.

    No wonder so many folks took their kids out of public schools.

    In addition, the estimated homeschooling rate?the percentage of the school-age population that was being homeschooled?increased from 1.7 percent in 1999 to 2.2 percent in 2003 (not shown in tables or figures).

    Still looking for CURRENT rates.

    these are kids you DIDN"T get to brainwash.

    And there are millions more in fundamentalist church affiliated schools, (not parochial) who ALSO avoided liberal/socialist brainwashing.

    Most of these children are being taught self reliance and respect for traditional values.

    The right is NOT a dying breed.

    The left is self destructive. They create non-sustainable government.

    So which cities are going to be without electricity, when Obama shuts down the coal fired power plants?
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    SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Perhaps, it may also decrease over time.
    Rather doubtful. Support has been steadily increasing for the last two decades and as I've said the youth strongly support SSM and they will still be around in 30 years when many of the opponents of SSM won't.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Rather doubtful. Support has been steadily increasing for the last two decades and as I've said the youth strongly support SSM and they will still be around in 30 years when many of the opponents of SSM won't.
    What is the point of SSM, other than the obvious benefits one might gain?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    Just as Joe McCarthy warned in the 50s, the socialists have taken over the education and media.

    No wonder so many folks took their kids out of public schools.

    In addition, the estimated homeschooling rate?the percentage of the school-age population that was being homeschooled?increased from 1.7 percent in 1999 to 2.2 percent in 2003 (not shown in tables or figures).

    Still looking for CURRENT rates.

    these are kids you DIDN"T get to brainwash.

    And there are millions more in fundamentalist church affiliated schools, (not parochial) who ALSO avoided liberal/socialist brainwashing.
    Ahhh so its not brainwashing if you agree with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What is the point of SSM, other than the obvious benefits one might gain?
    One could easily ask the same of heterosexual couples.

    Yes homosexual couples cannot procreate in the normal fashion but so what? Is marriage solely about children?
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    One could easily ask the same of heterosexual couples.

    Yes homosexual couples cannot procreate in the normal fashion but so what? Is marriage solely about children?
    What does procreation have to do with the question I asked you?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Ahhh so its not brainwashing if you agree with it?
    Parents training THEIR kids in family values and traditions and religious beliefs is NOT brainwashing.

    it's what parents are SUPPOSED to do.

    Hired teachers, supposedly 'public" servants enforcing THEIR political ideaologies on OUR children, is something they are supposed NOT to do.

    I'd willingly horsewhip and face brand any teacher I caught trying to brainwash my children.

    They'd DESERVE it!
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Unfortunately, that is all too likely true, but has little to do with democracy (other than who gets to appoint the SCOTUS justices). The constitution is quite clear about defining the method for its meaning to be changed - using the amendment process. Simply because the constitution (or an amendment) mentions red, blue and green does not mean that it really meant any color that one can think of, just as we have an ongoing battle over the subtle differences between shall not be infringed and shall not be abridged or denied.
    A useless theory of interpretation, since we even have to interpret the parts that tell us how to interpret it (and your interpretation isn't valid, by the way). We are stuck interpreting this text in the position of where we are now, not on speculation about what one or more ratifiers of the Constitution might or might not think (even assuming they all thought the same thing, which they clearly didn't). Channeling dead people is a poor way to interpret the law.

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