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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Over the past 15 years, things have consistently fluctuated UP.
    15 years is a hiccup in time....historically speaking.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Wiki has a good nutshell summary. Feel free to explore the references.

    History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    A person would have to be truly ignorant of history to dispute the well known fact that attitudes towards same sex unions have changed throughout history and varied from culture to culture.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Considering that younger demographics support it in greater numbers, this is very unlikely.
    Yeah, no-one changes their views as they age...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    A person would have to be truly ignorant of history to dispute the well known fact that attitudes towards same sex unions have changed throughout history and varied from culture to culture.
    I've come to realize that people's understanding of history is generally fairly superficial.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yeah, no-one changes their views as they age...
    Not on things like this, no they don't. Just like the younger generation during the civil rights era didn't become racist as they aged, my generation won't become homophobic as we age.

    You can try to say that since people tend to join a church later in life that they will become anti-gay, but that won't be the case. The church will have to change, my generation will not be apart of religions/church that are anti-gay. If the church wants to stay relevant, they will have to change, which won't be that hard, because they've been doing that forever.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    In modern democratic history, changing attitudes on an issue are major cultural and power shifts.
    No they aren't. A major cultural shift includes a lot of changes to laws at a time in relation to a change in a power structure and the foundation of the rules of a society.

    In all likelihood, without a major change in how we view marriage, why people get married, rights of the sexes, and/or some major power gain by a particular religion (which is highly unlikely given current trends), we will not see the shift you think is coming. It simply isn't likely. Unless you want to also claim a similar shift is just as likely in something like interracial marriage or interfaith marriage is likely, since these too have went from accepted to unaccepted and back with changing cultures in history.

    Overall though, this current acceptance of homosexuality and same sex relationships goes with several things that are brand new, including a better understanding of sexuality overall, a view of marriage being for the people in the relationship and their mutual attraction to each other, not children nor the family nor the man alone, women having more rights, and an idea of society based on rights being protected by laws/a Constitution. These are all major things that have not existed before, and certainly not together.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yeah, no-one changes their views as they age...
    Very few change their views on social issues like this as they age, at least not to being against certain groups. There aren't a whole lot of people who become racist later in life, particularly if they were those fighting for civil rights at a younger age. This issue is very similar to rights for races or women's rights.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

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    Not on things like this, no they don't. Just like the younger generation during the civil rights era didn't become racist as they aged, my generation won't become homophobic as we age.

    You can try to say that since people tend to join a church later in life that they will become anti-gay, but that won't be the case. The church will have to change, my generation will not be apart of religions/church that are anti-gay. If the church wants to stay relevant, they will have to change, which won't be that hard, because they've been doing that forever.

    LGBT people will have equal rights, very soon, and it will stay that way. Best to get used to the idea.
    Yes, they do. Look at abortion. Views shift.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    A bad time is coming.
    a government powerful enough to give you the things you want, is powerful enough to take the things it wants.

    ya'll are digging your graves and eventually will lament it.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    A bad time is coming.
    a government powerful enough to give you the things you want, is powerful enough to take the things it wants.

    ya'll are digging your graves and eventually will lament it.
    Government already did take federal recognition of marriage from gays in 1996, DOMA. People fought back though and got their rights back.

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