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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Actually, history shows that these types of things fluctuate up and down.
    Over the past 15 years, things have consistently fluctuated UP.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Perhaps, it may also decrease over time.
    Considering that younger demographics support it in greater numbers, this is very unlikely.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

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    Actually I can since the numbers show that support is growing every year and with each younger age group.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Attitudes on SSM have certainly fluctuated for and against throughout history.
    OK, mac... let's see your data on this.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    I remember in the 60s, homosexuals wanted to be left alone, they weren't hurting anybody.

    Now, they don't want to be left alone. They want EVERYBODY they can get on their side!

    they are NOT content to live quietly, but want to remake society to suit themselves.

    They ARE a danger to traditional American society and values, and subverting our youth.

    deny these statements if you can!
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You can't compare different cultures and claim there was shift. They were different cultures. The major shift in the culture to distinguish it from another in itself is going to be such a big influence that it causes problems in the comparison. It would be much more difficult now for a single person or small group to gain enough power over a nation now to cause such a huge shift in culture that leads to less acceptance.

    You must look at the reason for when changes occur and why exactly they will occur to determine if they are likely to occur for us. From what we know, homosexuality is only going to become more accepted in our culture unless some huge cultural shift itself occurs, making more people convert to a religion that discriminates against homosexuals/same sex relationships.

    Along with this, over time, it has been shown that people, as a group, tend to age comparable to how a person ages. It is like our species, the older it gets, the wiser it gets. The more it learns to think for itself. The more knowledge we acquire, the less willing we are to maintain old prejudices. We learn what makes us different. We connect more with those who are different and discover that those differences aren't all that important. These things are taught to our children.
    Why, yes, I can. I said "throughout history" not "throughout recent American history".
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    I remember in the 60s, homosexuals wanted to be left alone, they weren't hurting anybody.

    Now, they don't want to be left alone. They want EVERYBODY they can get on their side!

    they are NOT content to live quietly, but want to remake society to suit themselves.

    They ARE a danger to traditional American society and values, and subverting our youth.

    deny these statements if you can!
    They were being incarcerated and involuntarily committed and in some places lobotomized for just being attracted to someone of the same sex. Of course they wanted to be just left alone back then, but that doesn't mean they didn't also want to be considered equal. The not being put in jail or a looney bin or having your brain cut is much more important than equal rights when you wanting to be in a consensual, intimate relationship with another adult is considered a crime and/or a mental illness.

    What is being fought for now is equality. They don't care if some don't like them or disapprove of their relationships, just like interracial couples don't generally care if others disapprove of them, but that doesn't mean they are going to sit back and let others deprive them of equality just due to that disapproval of their relationships.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Why, yes, I can. I said "throughout history" not "throughout recent American history".
    And the things that caused those changes in "acceptance" in history was major cultural and power shifts, not simply changing attitudes of the population on one issue.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    OK, mac... let's see your data on this.
    Wiki has a good nutshell summary. Feel free to explore the references.

    History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And the things that caused those changes in "acceptance" in history was major cultural and power shifts, not simply changing attitudes of the population on one issue.
    In modern democratic history, changing attitudes on an issue are major cultural and power shifts.
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