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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The court made a very narrow ruling. It appears there is no desire to tread in these waters...
    The courts really don't want to establish a precedence over this because it will create a legal quagmire for other marriage "evolutions" in the future if they do.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The court made a very narrow ruling. It appears there is no desire to tread in these waters...
    They made a ruling based on the case before them. Only one section was being challenged in this case, so only one section was overturned. However, there was a line in the majority opinion that would allude to homosexuality being a suspect class. That line could become important to further challenges.

    These people aren't dumb. They know what suspect classification means.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Narrow or not, Section 3 is dead. Section 2 has challenges.

    Wobbly wobbly...
    I'm not here to trumpet for either side, reality is what it is, but you keep going on your merry way...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It must have been really awkward trying to type that clumsy attempt to refute the fact that anyone's sexual acts are dependent upon immutable characteristics. The Loving case is not the same because race is an immutable characteristic and because that immutable characteristic is the only thing that barred the loving marriage from being legal in the state of Virginia. In order to have a parallel, homosexuals will have to prove that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic. Good luck proving that.
    Again, not all of our rights are based in immutability.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The courts really don't want to establish a precedence over this because it will create a legal quagmire if they do.
    What "legal quagmire" do you think would occur as a result of overturning DOMA entirely? Talk about your wishful thinking.

    You guys have already lost this war, you just haven't admitted it to yourselves yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm not here to trumpet for either side, reality is what it is, but you keep going on your merry way...
    Um, I think that is the point, time marches on, challenges come and statutes tumble.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It must have been really awkward trying to type that clumsy attempt to refute the fact that anyone's sexual acts are dependent upon immutable characteristics. The Loving case is not the same because race is an immutable characteristic and because that immutable characteristic is the only thing that barred the loving marriage from being legal in the state of Virginia. In order to have a parallel, homosexuals will have to prove that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic. Good luck proving that.
    Did you ever choose to be straight?

    And then can you perhaps explain where "immutable characteristics" are key to the discussion of rights?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    As I understand it the full faith and credit clause has not ever been applied to marriage. Afaik a state can refuse to acknowledge a marriage that would not be legal in that state - for example if one of the partners is under aged under that state's laws.

    Should it apply - i think it should, but based on my limited reading it doesn't appear to.
    That's not 100% accurate. In fact, all states recognize legal marriages performed within the US and in most nations.

    Let's say first cousins marry (not allowed in about half the states, allowed in the other half). If they live in a state where it is not allowed, they will not be granted a license to marry. If you move to a state where it IS allowed, they are granted a marriage license and get married. If you move BACK to the original state where they couldn't get married, that state DOES recognize the marriage.

    There are 11 states who claim the marriage will be void, but in practice, it generally doesn't happen.

    Same with age of consent.

    I actually used to think what you posted or took it for granted and finally poked around until I found out some info.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, I think that is the point, time marches on, challenges come and statutes tumble.
    I believe the Court does not want to create another right as was done with abortion in Row v Wade and is content to let the States define marriage as they choose...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, I think that is the point, time marches on, challenges come and statutes tumble.
    But maybe not the way you want them to:

    John Roberts Shows Cold-Blooded Calculation In His Supreme Court Rulings

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