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    Re: DOMA unconstitutional. 5-4 decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Why don't you have equal rights?
    well the two arguments that have won or are gaining traction are this. If i was gay unfair discrimination and a violation of equality as stated by courts in rulings and the second is the argument of gender discriminaiton not ruled on by courts yet but heard and also stated by courts themselves as possibilities of inequality.

    all the deflections aside theres no logical reason to assume forced marriage lol
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    If the criteria is that a restriction must be justified by a compelling state interest, then what is the compelling state interest for restricting marriage to two people? Why not a man and two women? Why not father and daughter as long as the father has a vasectomy or the woman has her tubes tied? The argument of gay marriage is, IN FACT, that their right to marry the person they love is being denied because the relationship doesn't fit the accepted model. Well, plural marriage and incest marriages also don't fit the model and their rights to marry the people they love are being similarly restricted.
    They are just bigots. Nothing more. They don't believe in "Marriage Equality"

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    If the criteria is that a restriction must be justified by a compelling state interest, then what is the compelling state interest for restricting marriage to two people? Why not a man and two women? Why not father and daughter as long as the father has a vasectomy or the woman has her tubes tied? The argument of gay marriage is, IN FACT, that their right to marry the person they love is being denied because the relationship doesn't fit the accepted model. Well, plural marriage and incest marriages also don't fit the model and their rights to marry the people they love are being similarly restricted.
    Legally marriage functions as each having only one spouse. The laws would face a massive overhaul in order to allow people to have more than one legal spouse.

    There are a couple of state interest being furthered by preventing incestuous marriages, including protecting offspring from genetic complications that are extremely prevalent in 1st degree incest and preventing undue influence that is of high likelihood in cases where the younger person was raised with the other.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    What gives me pause on this is they could have voted for a nationwide decision today, so I don't know why the same judges would do so down the road. Just need that pig Scalia off the bench.

    They could have...but I think they want to give public opinion time to catch up.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Thank you. That's exactly what I'm trying to communicate here. If society changes their laws because they are compelled to decide they are the right thing to do, they may continue to exclude polygamy and incest and other deviant models. If the supreme court forces gay marriage based on some "right to marry" rationale; then the discretion of "the state" no longer applies and arguments about other relationships as marriage have legal support.
    You need not worry. There will be no brothers and sisters marrying and polygamy will remain a crime. I promise you that.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    I broke my break just for this.

    And boy was it delightful to watch some of the most bigoted users here blow their stacks.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The arguments are not dependent on why a group deserves equal protection, but rather what state interest is being furthered in a restriction. The Constitution applies to the state, not the people, so the state has to justify their restrictions, the people do not have to justify their rights.
    Well sure, but that is why there is no argument that applies to gay marriage that doesn't apply to polygamy.

    Another point that can be argued now is whether laws banning gay relatives from marrying is unconstitutional. The laws that forbid family from marrying were grounded in the state's real concern of the high rate of genetic illness in children born of siblings or close relatives. But in a gay marriage that is no concern at all.

    You are also failing in your evaluation of bisexuals. Bisexuals are absolutely no less likely to be monogamous than heterosexuals or homosexuals.
    I'm not failing in my evaluation. I am assuming they are no less likely to engage in polygamy than gay or heterosexual couples.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You didn't refute anything. You conceded the point.
    Wrong as usual.

    Why didn't you quote what Kennedy said? Gay Marriage is not about "Marriage Equality" now? First you claim gays aren't really gay, now you're claiming that the SSM movement has never been about marriage equality
    You want mne to quote him not saying something? Well that would be a neat trick. You got started on it since nothing you quoted from him said "marriage equality".

    Prove that it was removed because of scientific reasons. Bet you can't.
    You made the claim. Why am I not surprised you cannot back it up.

    The facts there is no gay gene IS current science. No gay gene has been found.
    Wrong once more. Current science is that there is no known gay gene, not that there is no gay gene. That is a very large, unsubtle difference.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Good. Now that equality and love has taken over, now we can start once again encouraging a positive marriage culture for straight people and gay people.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well sure, but that is why there is no argument that applies to gay marriage that doesn't apply to polygamy.

    Another point that can be argued now is whether laws banning gay relatives from marrying is unconstitutional. The laws that forbid family from marrying were grounded in the state's real concern of the high rate of genetic illness in children born of siblings or close relatives. But in a gay marriage that is no concern at all.
    Yeah but that's just asking for massive abuse of the estate/gift tax. Marrying your kid(s) and then giving them everything tax free effectively breaks the system.

    People will marry their kids when they're close to death, gift them everything and then die.
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