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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Exactly. The state was doing what it thought was right for it's citizens and the supreme court saw no reason to overrule them from doing what they thought was right for their citizens. Other states have made other decisions and the supreme court's position as a precedent on this would be not to overturn those decisions, either.
    And the fact that the states cannot show how restricting marriage based on sex/gender in any way furthers a legitimate state interest will come up when further cases reach the SCOTUS from other states. Those bans will eventually be struck down on this basis.
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    Re: DOMA unconstitutional. 5-4 decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) still made no sense
    2.) depends on how you are asking, im not gay but the answer is no
    Why don't you have equal rights?

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Nah. It's a great day for this country
    I concur!

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And the fact that the states cannot show how restricting marriage based on sex/gender in any way furthers a legitimate state interest will come up when further cases reach the SCOTUS from other states. Those bans will eventually be struck down on this basis.
    I doubt it. I don't think the supreme court is going to try to legislate this from the bench and I believe they will go to some great lengths in order to avoid doing it. This is something the supreme court rightly wants the people to work out on their own.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    God's are better than everyone else's.
    Which "God"?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In order for this ruling to apply to polygamy, it has to be close to same sex marriage. You admit it isn't. So your previous assertion is wrong
    How so? Are you assuming that both marriages are heterosexual?

    By the Gay rights argument what right does the government have to say that a wife can't also marry a woman? It would seem that these "marriage is between two people" laws are discriminating against bisexuals!

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Loving is one of many cases where marriage was defined as a right. While you may not like it, marriage is recognized legally as a right in the US.

    The federal governemnt is not ever getting out of marrraige. Not in the foreseeable future. Maybe in a few hundred years, but even then probably not.
    We'll see what happens, but I'd argue that this ruling as well as other decisions in other countries going forward will do a lot to bring about the removal of marriage as a criteria for government benefit and/or tax advantage. Since procreation will no longer be one of the cornerstones of government sanctioned marriage, there may come a time in the not too distant future when the tax benefits will simply acrue to the having of children only and no tax benefit related to the marriage of individuals. When you think about it, there really is no benefit to society or to individuals that directly results from government sanctioned marriage.

    The more open marriage becomes, the less rational there is for giving special tax advantages to the certificate. There will be a time, perhaps not in my lifetime, but at some point, single people will be claiming prejudicial treatment under any number of tax laws that favor married individuals as opposed to single people, whether they cohabitate with an informal partner or by themselves. After all, equal protection under the law should not be based on a government definition that discriminates against an individual based on their life status.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Here's the real dilemma facing the Supreme Court regarding Homosexual Marriage:

    Society is moving toward allowing it. But if the Supreme court makes it an issue of rights based on people loving each other being able to marry, then challenges for polygamy and incest will have something very solid to go on. If, on the other hand, legislatures define marriage based on what the people think is right, then eventually public opinion will result in the public's will being the law. There is no rationalization for gay marriage in terms of constitutional rights that wouldn't end up being support for other deviant relationship models as marriage, as well, so the Supreme Court rightfully recognizes that it's playing with fire on this issue and prefers, as much as possible, not to touch it.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not morally.
    Yes morally, discrimination is immoral. I suppose it is against your religion, but since when is it Govts. job to enforce some ones religious beliefs"?

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I doubt it. I don't think the supreme court is going to try to legislate this from the bench and I believe they will go to some great lengths in order to avoid doing it. This is something the supreme court rightly wants the people to work out on their own.
    Given time and the right case, plus a few more states legalizing same sex marriage, I have every belief that they will strike down these laws.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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