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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    She asked if a couple married in a different state would fall under that states' provisions or their state of residence. I've been wondering the same thing (and may even have asked it myself).
    That's not what I got from her comments. If I misunderstood, then I'll acquiesce, but I'm just going on my own interpretation of the post.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    There's a reason that this sort of remark doesn't belong in rigorous and reasonable debate. Let me show you why: your reply is just conservative (libertarian/green party/socialist/fascist/whatever) BS.

    I can type that sort of thing all day. So can you. So can anybody. It's cheap, it plays on people's prejudices and emotions, and doesn't add anything to the conversation.

    I disagree. Acting to restrict what people can and cannot do implies an ought. If I restrict people from, say, owning monkeys, I am implying that people ought not to own monkeys.


    No doubt. But that's irrelevant.

    And why doesn't he? If he doesn't, there is an implied ought, and a moral dimension to the issue.

    I'm curious how you'd support this point. It seems that you're saying that the law was struck down purely to grant uneven privileges to liberal groups. If that's your point, I'd like to see how you argue for it. If it isn't, please clarify.
    My reply isn't "conservative" BS.

    We wouldn't be having this conversation if gays weren't an extreme liberal group.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But you have to agree that there are clearly at this time 5 votes for nation-wide gay marriage. That could change...but it is highly unlikely. Kennedy clearly indicated that there is no legitimate basis for a state to limit marriage to straights only. Who else in the 5 could be the swing vote?
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

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    Basically, my thought process is that since they struck DOMA down on the basis of equality, it sets court precedence, and that all laws prohibiting SSM could be seen in the same light.
    I wouldn't make that jump - what the ruling says, as I understand it, is that the state has the right to define marriage and the federal government has no authority to nullify or alter that definition. The ruling does not say that one state's definition must be accepted by all states or that all states must sanction gay marriage because one or any state does.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But you have to agree that there are clearly at this time 5 votes for nation-wide gay marriage. That could change...but it is highly unlikely. Kennedy clearly indicated that there is no legitimate basis for a state to limit marriage to straights only. Who else in the 5 could be the swing vote?
    Hehe, well, last time I checked the federal government legislates from the congress, not the Supreme Court. Good luck trying to get 535 legislators to agree on that. Right now as it stands the federal government does not have a position on gay marriage, or any marriage - as in my opinion, this ruling makes any federal marriage law moot when applied to the states, and anyone not employed by the federal government.


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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And if anything, the court is likely to get more liberal. If one conservative judge leaves a vacancy within the next 3 years, it will swing to 6-3.
    Yes...this is why the last election was so important. I thank God every day that Obama was re-elected to ensure that our Supreme Court does not fall into the hands of the activist Roberts/Scalia/Alito/Thomas agenda.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    My reply isn't "conservative" BS.

    We wouldn't be having this conversation if gays weren't an extreme liberal group.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Hehe, well, last time I checked the federal government legislates from the congress, not the Supreme Court. Good luck trying to get 535 legislators to agree on that. Right now as it stands the federal government does not have a position on gay marriage, or any marriage - as in my opinion, this ruling makes any federal marriage law moot when applied to the states, and anyone not employed by the federal government.


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    You are correct. However, there is no need to have congressional legislation. There are 5 clear votes on the Supreme Court that there is no legitimate state interest in limiting marriage to "straights only". The days of marriage discrimination are numbered. States can try to continue to discriminate but there will be a ruling in the very near future striking down discrimination for once and all. The writing is clearly on the wall.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    But you have to agree that there are clearly at this time 5 votes for nation-wide gay marriage. That could change...but it is highly unlikely. Kennedy clearly indicated that there is no legitimate basis for a state to limit marriage to straights only. Who else in the 5 could be the swing vote?
    While his current notion is that, there's no indication how strongly he feels regarding that nor how he weighs his particular view on that in relation to the notion of the states rights to set its marriage laws. Leaning one way or another is one thing, but there's no "slam dunk" type of reading here where all signs point one way or another.

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