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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Well then...thats good. Gay marriage is legal in Ohio then.
    Wrong again. You're on a roll.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I specifically states there is overlap. In your example of the catholic church, you are looking at the practical, while ignoring the theoretical, which is that states are not required to recognize those marriages. If the catholic church decides to marry people that the state does not recognize as married, which is entirely possible if unlikely, then you would have your separation. Overlap is there, but they are still separate.
    Absolutely, I agree - but my original point was related to the practical. In my view, churches will move back and eliminate their involvement in the state sanctioned aspects of performing marriages to ensure that they are not forced to participate in marriages contrary to their faith's teachings. As a result, as a practical consequence, there will likely come a time when religious citizens will have to go through two ceremonies, one in their church and one civilly, in order to be "registered" in both - that is far less practical and far more inconvenient than the situation now.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There is, but as the people over at SCOTUS blog who I dare say I beleive are FAR more intelligent, educated, and untouched by significant bias in this than the vast majority of those discussing this on this forum...there are significant indications out of these rulings that point in BOTH directions, which is most likely the realistic notion regarding this seeing as they're 5-4 decisions with a swing individual who often tends to lean one direction in a ruling for reasons that seemingly benefit the other direction.
    But you have to agree that there are clearly at this time 5 votes for nation-wide gay marriage. That could change...but it is highly unlikely. Kennedy clearly indicated that there is no legitimate basis for a state to limit marriage to straights only. Who else in the 5 could be the swing vote?
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Dude. I'm a fairly socially conservative fellow who agrees that as a society we tend to rush to reaffirm whatever a gay person does or says about sexuality, and that this enables and encourages victimish behavior... but even I'll come to YS's defense on that one - there was nothing victimish about the section you quoted - but rather an actual discussion of the ruling.
    She's suggesting that un-married straight couples have rights that un-married gay couples do not. Anyone with any sense knows that that isn't true. To believe it is, is victimization.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She's suggesting that un-married straight couples have rights that un-married gay couples do not. Anyone with any sense knows that that isn't true. To believe it is, is victimization.
    She asked if a couple married in a different state would fall under that states' provisions or their state of residence. I've been wondering the same thing (and may even have asked it myself).

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Which means the federal government can't redefine what the state has already defined. You are misinterpreting the decision.
    Not at all. The court said that the federal government must recognize what the states have defined....but Kennedy, who is widely recognized as the swing vote, clearly indicated that the 5th amendment requires equal protection and there is no legitimate state interest in restricting marriages to straights only, which certainly invites a challenge and indicates pretty clearly that the Court is likely to strike any restriction in the states to "straight only" marriages as unconstitutional. It remains for another day, but the writing is pretty clearly on the wall. Kennedy is cementing his place in history and he is the only hope for those who favor discrimination in the marriage arena.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    He did tell us actually, repeatedly.
    IMHO He did not tell us, explicitly; but for some reason He would rather whisper
    into the ear of a priest who alone is able to tell us what He said.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Your God wouldn't be God then.
    "God" is a generic term.

    Yhwh is the name of the christian god.

    He even says to worship no god before me, right?
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What I read was awhile ago, and my memory at my advanced age is not perfect. I would like YS to clarify what she is asking a bit, and then, well, there are lots of details still needing answers.
    Basically, my thought process is that since they struck DOMA down on the basis of equality, it sets court precedence, and that all laws prohibiting SSM could be seen in the same light.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    "God" is a generic term.

    Yhwh is the name of the christian god.

    He even says to worship no god before me, right?
    Yahweh is who I worship.
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