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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL.....ok God Spokesperson......
    Not what he's doing. You cannot by definition have multiple actual "God"s, just multiple "gods".

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    To the extent that the government insists on interfering with and regulating what was essentially a religious rite, this ruling is the correct one. All the more reason why the government should not be in the marriage business because this ruling does not just expand the right of gays to have their marriage recognized by the federal government, if a state so recognizes it, it also leaves open the possibility of other equal protections of other marriage "couplings" going forward.

    As for the religious rite of marriage, it's likely that going forward churches will no longer participate in the civil aspect of marriage but only the religious aspect, retaining the rite as between a man and a woman and leaving no room for the civil equality to creep into their services. As such, those who wish to be married in the church of their faith will also have to be married in a civil ceremony recognized by the state in order to be "registered" with the state.
    The bolded: The government and it's regualtion of marriage is entirely separate from the church's. Just because a church marries some one in their eyes does not make them married in terms of the government, and just because the government licenses some one as married does not mean churches have to accept it from their purposes. It is very much like 2 groups, using the same word, but meaning different things by it.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You don't (none of us do) get you're own "God". By definition this is impossible.
    We get our own beliefs in God. This is freedom of religion. This includes believing in what God's morals are. You cannot prove that what you believe God's morals are or what God has placed as man's morals are the correct ones, so we each would have our own God or at least our own beliefs in what God's morals are.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Wondering, do people in states that ban SSM get to file joint federal tax returns? Do they get federal benefits that comes with marriage? Or are they denied by not being able to have their marriage recognized by the state they live in?

    And if that is the case, what impact will it have on future rulings, because based on the ruling of DOMA, those laws could be seen in the same light.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Not what he's doing. You cannot by definition have multiple actual "God"s, just multiple "gods".
    Not sure WHO you are referring to. There are multiple people that claim to speak for God.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So is anyone divorced now because their marriage means nothing?

    Anyone?

    Anyone.....
    Can't wait til property values skyrocket in states that allow gay marriage while they fall where they don't.

    SSM will be legal everywhere in no time.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    There is just as much proof for those other Gods existence as their is for the Christian God.
    that is an entirely different discussion than whether or not it is possible to have multiple First Cause infinite entities.

    It is also incorrect. You don't have to say that the evidence is compelling, or convincing, or that you believe it, but the fact remains that there is a greater amount of net evidence in favor of the New Testament v. the Greek Pantheon.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    The challenge in cases such as this is to realize that a number of powers reserved to the states are not rightly so any longer.

    As time has passed and technology brought us all closer together, the concept of states relative to the nation as a whole is diminishing in meaning, like the concept of counties relative to states themselves has greatly diminished, and it becomes a mere arbitrary function of land, its usage and population densities in an arbitrarily boundaried region, nothing too greatly relevant to topical relevancy intelligence reflecting America as a whole.

    It also makes it more difficult for our country to present our national policies, especially on social issues, to other nations.

    Granted, the SCOTUS decision, though strangely a close 5-4, upholds the states rights, and nothing more.

    But there is coming a time when our country as a whole on these matters will intelligently mean more than the sum of the soon-to-be antiquated states.

    DOMA was evidence of that.

    The times they are a changing, and this close SCOTUS decision will not slow that change down.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    It boils down to the Feds cannot redefine something that is reserved to be defined by the individual States.
    That's my take on it, too.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Wondering, do people in states that ban SSM get to file joint federal tax returns? Do they get federal benefits that comes with marriage? Or are they denied by not being able to have their marriage recognized by the state they live in?
    It seems (by the ruling) that they are held to the standards of their State. This isn't a declaration of a federal definition of marriage that includes homosexual couples - it is a denial of the federal government's right to have a definition of marriage.

    If they go to another state to get married and then return.... the Court didn't rule on Section 2, only Section 3.

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