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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's incorrect. Definition of marriage:

    mar·riage
    /ˈmarij/
    Noun
    1) The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
    2) A relationship between married people or the period for which it lasts.
    Now the definition has changed. Embrace the change. It'll go down easier that way.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What does any of that have to do with the children besides child custody/support? Those laws work that way no matter the age of the children a couple might have. In fact, a wife has more say in what happens to her husband upon his death (sans will) than any of his children, including sons who are adults.

    You are making assumptions that you cannot legally back up.
    You are confusing aspects of marriage law with the purpose of marriage. The purpose of corporate law isn't about shareholders, but shareholders are covered by corporate law.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You are confusing aspects of marriage law with the purpose of marriage. The purpose of corporate law isn't about shareholders, but shareholders are covered by corporate law.
    No I'm not. The purpose of legal marriage is found in how it legally functions. Without examining how it legally functions, you cannot determine the purpose of marriage.

    Let's look at a driver's license. The laws pertaining to a driver's license revolve around safe driving because the purpose of the driver's license is to ensure a person can drive safely. And then there is a renter's agreement. The laws pertaining to these agreements involve who gets what responsibilities in maintaining the property that is being rented, how much is being paid to live in the property, what the rules are for the property, and so forth. These all revolve around the agreement made by the lessor and lessee because the purpose of a rental agreement is to ensure both parties know their responsibilities and to allow for legal action if someone defaults on their responsibilities.

    And how is corporate law like those of marriage? Corporate law is not about a single contract between two people. It is much two massive to compare to marriage laws legitimately.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's incorrect. Definition of marriage:

    mar·riage
    /ˈmarij/
    Noun
    1) The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
    2) A relationship between married people or the period for which it lasts.
    I'll again ask why you think you have ownership of the definition of a word, and why you think this applies to how the government should treat a legal contract.

    And how does this affect your life? If you are talking to two men and one says "this is my husband Jim," like, does your head explode?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's incorrect. Definition of marriage:

    mar·riage
    /ˈmarij/
    Noun
    1) The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
    2) A relationship between married people or the period for which it lasts.
    That is incorrect.

    This is the definition of marriage.

    mar·riage (mrj)
    n.
    1.
    a. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife, and in some jurisdictions, between two persons of the same sex, usually entailing legal obligations of each person to the other.
    b. A similar union of more than two people; a polygamous marriage.
    c. A union between persons that is recognized by custom or religious tradition as a marriage.
    d. A common-law marriage.
    e. The state or relationship of two adults who are married

    marriage - definition of marriage by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    All parts of the definition of marriage are valid. You cannot pick and choose which definitions are valid when all are in the dictionary.

    Would you prefer we used Merriam-Webster?

    1
    a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>
    b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock
    c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage

    Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's incorrect. Definition of marriage:

    mar·riage
    /ˈmarij/
    Noun
    1) The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.
    2) A relationship between married people or the period for which it lasts.
    Now the definition has changed. Embrace the change. It'll go down easier that way.
    As Justice Kennedy wrote in his concurrence
    For marriage between a man and a woman no doubt had been thought of by most people as essential to the very definition of that term,” he writes. “That belief, for many who long have held it, became even more urgent, more cherished when challenged. For others, however, came the beginnings of a new perspective, a new insight.
    We also have dictionary sites providing different definitions than the one preferred by some folks

    mar·riage (mărĭj)

    n.
    1.
    • a. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife, and in some jurisdictions, between two persons of the same sex, usually entailing legal obligations of each person to the other.
    • b. A similar union of more than two people; a polygamous marriage.
    • c. A union between persons that is recognized by custom or religious tradition as a marriage.
    • d. A common-law marriage.
    • e. The state or relationship of two adults who are married: Their marriage has been a happy one.


    2. A wedding: Where is the marriage to take place?
    3. A close union: "the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics" (Lloyd Rose).
    4. Games The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.
    mar·riage
    noun \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\

    1
    • a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>
    • b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock
    • c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
    Hmmmm, it does appear the publishers of at least some dictionaries are willing to accept change in the English language
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    SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'll again ask why you think you have ownership of the definition of a word, and why you think this applies to how the government should treat a legal contract.

    And how does this affect your life? If you are talking to two men and one says "this is my husband Jim," like, does your head explode?
    It's not my definition that I posted. I don't know why homosexuals want to pretend they own the definition.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's not my definition that I posted. I don't know why homosexuals want to pretend they own the definition.
    They aren't pretending that. Where did you get that silly idea?

    Homosexuals aren't talking about a definition at all. You are arguing over definitions. The pro-equality crowd is arguing over rights, and how the US government treats its citizens. Which is why yours is the losing argument, the right to equal treatment by the government is more important than your non-existant right to sole ownership of the definition of a word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's not my definition that I posted. I don't know why homosexuals want to pretend they own the definition.
    You posted a definition that fits what you believe. It was a shortened definition found immediately when you google "marriage definition" and is not complete according to the vast majority of modern dictionaries.

    It also has no standing in laws governing marriage in the US.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's not my definition that I posted. I don't know why homosexuals want to pretend they own the definition.
    It's because they want to be treated equally by the law.

    If you are married, the law recognizes this, and it has a variety of legal effects. Barring these individuals from marriage results in these individuals being treated as second-class citizens, which is not constitutional and not ethically acceptable.

    Seems pretty simple to me.

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