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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

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    Love might be why you would get married but it's not the reason the state sanctions it. Love your sister if you want, (in ways that are taboo or otherwise) but you can't marry her and you're not going to make a good case that you should because the interests of the state aren't about whether you love your spouse or not, but whether you are an appropriate biological pairing.
    I was VERY clear in the distinction between "why" someone gets married and "why" the state sanctions it. Why someone gets married has little to do with the state sanctioning marriage or the legal aspects, but it does debunk the entire equality (non-legal) argument that anti-SSMers make.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's right, but you can't divorce that primary purpose from the reasoning of marriage without actually redefining it's purpose by disposing of the cornerstone.
    Of course you can. Marriage is not about procreation either from a legal or from a non-legal standpoint. That's not it's primary purpose.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Since you're struggling to understand what "state sanctioned marriage" means, let's start out with a basic definitions.

    Sanction: noun. approval - approbation - endorsement - authorization

    State Sanctioned marriage is for the purpose of approving a pairing and confirming that it makes biological sense. That's why important restrictions to marriage have historically included things like incest, fatal venereal diseases, blood types that are incompatible for producing children and, of course, same sex partners. Marriage is official approval and endorsement of a pairing that is not biologically illogical.
    You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    They were required once medical science realized that certain blood types were incompatible for bearing offspring - which just strengthens the argument that the reason for marriage was about approving, licensing, endorsing, SANCTIONING a biologically sensible coupling.
    You don't know what you are talking about. Blood tests were required prior to getting married to check for STD's. There are four states that still require them. It has nothing to do with compatibility for bearing offspring.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You keep trying to argue the absurd in defense of your position. Being fertile COULD actually be a condition of marriage, but the state clearly assumes that male and female meets the rationale for "biologically sensible". Going further to demand fertility tests would be too intrusive and expensive for everyone involved since the premise of marriage remains intact merely by union of male/female.
    These are nothing more than unsubstantiated assumptions.

    If the purpose of marriage was to "affirm love", then this argument wouldn't have happened in the first place. That's not the purpose of the state sanctioned entity of marriage and in some part of your brain, you must actually know this. I understand that you don't like it since it doesn't fit your progressive views, but some part of you must know that you are not being completely honest even with yourself when you try to claim that the purpose of marriage really has nothing to do with procreation, bearing children and establishing the family unit. It's so intrinsic to marriage that you absolutely cannot deny honestly that it's true.
    You have been shown, REPEATEDLY, how procreation is neither the purpose of marriage, nor has anything to do with a legal marriage license. I understand that this does not fit in with your conservative agenda, but it's still accurate. I have no idea whether any part of you realizes that you are not being completely honest with yourself when you argue these illogical points. Perhaps, perhaps not.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Historically, marriage has been almost entirely about procreation and raising families. Love played almost no role at all in marriage through most of history. This is what has changed. We ted to view marriage as "a love commitment" today. That's not what it was created for. Sometimes the truth isn't pretty, glamorous or romantic.
    Historically... oh wait... appeal to tradition logical fallacy. That was easy.
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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Historically... oh wait... appeal to tradition logical fallacy. That was easy.
    Sorry, Charlie. When we're trying to determine the purpose for marriage laws, history is not fallacious. It is critical to understanding. So, of course, you would dismiss it because that wouldn't suit your progressive agenda.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Sorry, Charlie. When we're trying to determine the purpose for marriage laws, history is not fallacious. It is critical to understanding. So, of course, you would dismiss it because that wouldn't suit your progressive agenda.
    The history of marriage is arranged by parents for money and title.

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    Re: SCOTUS blog: DOMA Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Sorry, Charlie. When we're trying to determine the purpose for marriage laws, history is not fallacious. It is critical to understanding. So, of course, you would dismiss it because that wouldn't suit your progressive agenda.
    Well, since the purpose for marriage laws has not been about procreation, your point is irrelevant both factually and logically.

    Now, if you want to keep throwing out stupid partisan comments, I can certainly play that game, but it's making your argument look weaker than it is. Certainly if that's your goal, keep doing it.
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