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US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

Northern Light said:
I agree with the law being struck down, but it's worth pointing out that the south wouldn't have had to have itself dragged into the modern era with such a law if it would have quit being so pigheaded about racial voting laws.
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So few conservatives really understand that well-timed concessions enable conservative government. Most try to hang on too long, and the result is sudden, drastic change.:cool:
 
The sad part is that the current generation is forgetting the lessons learned by the ones before. Couple people piping up on Facebook about how the VRA is all bull**** because literacy tests and poll taxes aren't racist at all.

Just...ugh. Kids these days! :angryoldmanfistshaking:
 
Deuce said:
The sad part is that the current generation is forgetting the lessons learned by the ones before. Couple people piping up on Facebook about how the VRA is all bull**** because literacy tests and poll taxes aren't racist at all.

Just...ugh. Kids these days! :angryoldmanfistshaking:
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That was then. This is now. A world in which people can't imagine the racist component of literacy tests and poll taxes then is a world that does not need the VRA now. What you have observed is progress.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
That was then. This is now. A world in which people can't imagine the racist component of literacy tests and poll taxes then is a world that does not need the VRA now. What you have observed is progress.:peace
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Except the part where the very things the VRA was designed to prevent are still happening to this day, and provably so. In her dissent Jusice Ginsburg detailed some of the outrageous things that people have recently tried to sneak into the election system. Like slashing vote times in mostly-black precincts while leaving the longer hours in other neighborhoods. And a poll tax blatantly discriminates against the poor.

No, friend, what I have observed is young people being naive. Literacy tests never had correct answers. The way to pass the test was to be white. Ignorance of that aspect of history is not progress.
 
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Deuce said:
Except the part where the very things the VRA was designed to prevent are still happening to this day, and provably so. In her dissent Jusice Ginsburg detailed some of the outrageous things that people have recently tried to sneak into the election system. Like slashing vote times in mostly-black precincts while leaving the longer hours in other neighborhoods. And a poll tax blatantly discriminates against the poor.

No, friend, what I have observed is young people being naive. Literacy tests never had correct answers. The way to pass the test was to be white. Ignorance of that aspect of history is not progress.
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This is one of those times when less harm will be done if government does less.:cool:
 
Jack Hays said:
This is one of those times when less harm will be done if government does less.:cool:
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Less race-based election tampering, yes. The VRA stops the government from doing that sort of thing. You probably don't realize it, but you're arguing for more government interference. Shouldn't you be against that? Or is it ok for local government to suppress the votes of minorities?
 
Deuce said:
Less race-based election tampering, yes. The VRA stops the government from doing that sort of thing. You probably don't realize it, but you're arguing for more government interference. Shouldn't you be against that? Or is it ok for local government to suppress the votes of minorities?
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Did you agree that King Shamir Shabazz needed to stand outside a Philly voting station with a billy club, dressed in para military garb? Was that ok with you? Because it obviously was ok with our current (In)justice dept. head.
 
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Did you agree that King Shamir Shabazz needed to stand outside a Philly voting station with a billy club, dressed in para military garb? Was that ok with you? Because it obviously was ok with our current (In)justice dept. head.
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Are you really comparing one guy standing outside a voting precinct with a systematic effort to rig the election system to disenfranchise black people? Really man? You're that desperate to defend election rigging done in your favor?
 
Deuce said:
The sad part is that the current generation is forgetting the lessons learned by the ones before. Couple people piping up on Facebook about how the VRA is all bull**** because literacy tests and poll taxes aren't racist at all.

Just...ugh. Kids these days! :angryoldmanfistshaking:
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Literacy tests and poll taxes aren't racist, because they were equally applied to whites as well as blacks.
 
apdst said:
Literacy tests and poll taxes aren't racist, because they were equally applied to whites as well as blacks.
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No, they definitely were not applied equally. That's the details of history that aren't being taught very well. These literacy tests were worded in a way as to leave many of the answers ambiguous, and a single incorrect answer made you ineligible to vote. What counted as an incorrect answer was up to the person "grading" your test at the polls. The real way to pass the literacy test was to be white.

It's like the voter IDs. On paper, they don't apply differently based on race. It just happens that the ID's are harder to get in black neighborhoods.
 
Oh, and I almost forgot about the literal grandfather clause for the literacy tests! If you were unable to pass the literacy tests, you could still vote if your grandfather had been eligible to vote.

In the post-civil war south, what do you suppose the effect of that was?
 
Deuce said:
No, they definitely were not applied equally. That's the details of history that aren't being taught very well. These literacy tests were worded in a way as to leave many of the answers ambiguous, and a single incorrect answer made you ineligible to vote. What counted as an incorrect answer was up to the person "grading" your test at the polls. The real way to pass the literacy test was to be white.
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I so look forward to your links proving such.

It's like the voter IDs. On paper, they don't apply differently based on race. It just happens that the ID's are harder to get in black neighborhoods.
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No they're not! Stop embarrassing yourself with that crazy argument!
 
Deuce said:
Oh, and I almost forgot about the literal grandfather clause for the literacy tests! If you were unable to pass the literacy tests, you could still vote if your grandfather had been eligible to vote.

In the post-civil war south, what do you suppose the effect of that was?
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You are aware that there are more than 11 states effected by sections 4 and 5 of the VRA. Yes?

My point, you must be asking? Let's stop with the falsehood that the VRA only applies to, "the south".

Bascially, stop frettin'. It's going to be ok. I know you've been to, "the south", but things aren't as nightmarish here as you try to make them sound.
 
:bs on so many levels.

Deuce said:
It's like the voter IDs. On paper, they don't apply differently based on race. It just happens that the ID's are harder to get in black neighborhoods.
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apdst said:
You are aware that there are more than 11 states effected by sections 4 and 5 of the VRA. Yes?

My point, you must be asking? Let's stop with the falsehood that the VRA only applies to, "the south".

Bascially, stop frettin'. It's going to be ok. I know you've been to, "the south", but things aren't as nightmarish here as you try to make them sound.
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You piped up about literacy tests and now you're running away from discussing it.

Now you're back to defending things like randomly postponing elections or reducing poll hours in black neighborhoods? You agree with that sort of thing? Or do you condemn it?
 
jwzg said:
:bs on so many levels.
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Sauk City, WI. DMV in a black neighborhood open on the 5th wednesday of any month.

Ponder that for a bit.
 
DMV, Selma, Alabama...no waiting line, open 5 days a week, try again.

Deuce said:
Sauk City, WI. DMV in a black neighborhood open on the 5th wednesday of any month.

Ponder that for a bit.
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Deuce said:
You piped up about literacy tests and now you're running away from discussing it.
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I already invited you to post links. Where are they? Afraid that--once again--history will prove your propaganda to be incorrect?

Now you're back to defending things like randomly postponing elections or reducing poll hours in black neighborhoods? You agree with that sort of thing? Or do you condemn it?
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When did I defend that? However, it was the Libbo media that announced early poll closures in Florida in 2000. I bet you weren't bitching about that too loud, since it caused thousands of Republicans to stay home...the Republicans who couldn't vote in the middle of the day, because they were at work.
 
Deuce said:
Sauk City, WI. DMV in a black neighborhood open on the 5th wednesday of any month.

Ponder that for a bit.
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But...but...but that's Wisconsin! Ain't no racists in Wisconsin!
 
jwzg said:
DMV, Selma, Alabama...no waiting line, open 5 days a week, try again.
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You mean those racist bastards let black folks go to the DMV 5 days a week?!?
 
apdst said:
You mean those racist bastards let black folks go to the DMV 5 days a week?!?
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You and I know the deal about voter ID's.

Felons and illegals can't get them.
 
Deuce said:
Less race-based election tampering, yes. The VRA stops the government from doing that sort of thing. You probably don't realize it, but you're arguing for more government interference. Shouldn't you be against that? Or is it ok for local government to suppress the votes of minorities?
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Basically, I don't believe there is any longer a problem. I don't believe your examples.
 
Jack Hays said:
Basically, I don't believe there is any longer a problem. I don't believe your examples.
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Are you suggesting Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a liar?

31 measures have been rejected since the 2006 renewal.
 
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Deuce said:
Are you suggesting Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a liar?
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Yes. If more blacks supported republicans then you would not see republicans targeting blacks. It is about partisan power not racism.
 
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