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US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

I'll give you the important excerpts.



This shows that the electoral map was redrawn as to screw over majority black districts (cutting off the strongest fundraising bases of the reps of those district), while going and either leaving the districts of white reps alone or expanding them and they also did this in secret as well.



This change in voter ID laws will make it so that it is more difficult for groups who would vote Democrat as the list of IDs are extremely small and many of those voters who don't have IDs (and many of whom vote for Democrats) must "travel at their own expense, produce their birth certificate, and in many cases pay a fee to get an ID." The fact that many of these people, such as the poor, may not have the money to get travel and pay the fee for the ID will make it harder for them to vote.

This is also going to happen in North Carolina (NC voter ID bill moving ahead with Supreme Court ruling :: WRAL.com) and Mississippi (Voting Rights Act ruling clears path for Mississippi voter ID use in 2014 (updated) | gulflive.com).

No, it shows that districts were redrawn to screw over blacks politicians. It's the other side of the coin with Section 5, which was used to screw over white politicians.

That's politics, not racism. Voters cannot be effected negatively by redistricting.
 
No, it shows that districts were redrawn to screw over blacks politicians. It's the other side of the coin with Section 5, which was used to screw over white politicians.

That's politics, not racism. Voters cannot be effected negatively by redistricting.

Actually, voters can be negatively affected by redistricting.

MIRA » Blog Archive » The truth about Voter ID and Redistricting

Redistricting, while necessary and constitutionally required, is often used to punish those who do not walk lock-step with the majority party in the legislature. By re-drawing the districts along racial lines or illegally packing voters of color into fewer districts, eliminating districts that elect moderates or progressives, current lawmakers can create districts that reduce the influence of these voters.

FairVote.org | Redistricting

It's a blood sport that both parties have exploited, thereby minimizing the role of voters in the political process. By gerrymandering the districts, legislators and their political cronies have used redistricting to choose their voters, before voters have had the opportunity to choose them.



Ward 5 redistricting plan hurts voters and neighborhoods - Greater Greater Washington

On October 6th, the Ward 5 Redistricting Task Force approved an Advisory Neighborhood Commission (ANC) redistricting plan (despite having limited information about the details) that splits apart communities and distorts voter power.

It distorts voter power. The executive committee's plan dilutes voting strength by increasing the difference from the smallest to the largest Ward 5 SMD to about 850 people.

One of the more egregious changes was in Bloomingdale. 2 districts with nearly equal populations became 3 with populations of 2,061, 2,039, and 1,399. A change was necessary because the population grew, but while the first two districts are roughly proportional, the third is significantly smaller and about 33% short of the 2,000 resident target.

As indefensible as these numbers are, what is even more stunning is that the latest Thomas plan expands those disparities further. Its SMD populations range from approximately 900 to nearly 2,800. Because this plan can neither be reconciled with the law nor justified by any circumstances on the ground, the Office of Planning will have to reject it as not worthy of serious consideration.
 
IOW, since all Republicans are racists, the only way for minorities to get a fair shake and stay out them chains, is for Libbos to get elected? Sounds like too much self importance, to me.

In one of the links I quoted, it said that both parties engaged in gerrymandering.
 
You're in a lot of pain, aren't you? I hope you're young because this kind of stress and hate is not good for your heart. Relax. The election is over and Obama won. Nothing you can do about that. But you guys are doing really well despite the fact that you're going against the wishes of the majority of people in the country. You got Citizens United and now gutted the Voting Rights Act (so now you can suppress the minority vote more easily), your war against women continues (especially at the state level where you're going after women with a vengeance) ... there's a lot for you to be happy about, at least in the short run (yes, I'm afraid to tell you that in the long run all you're doing is giving yourselves more rope to hang yourselves with) ... so chill my friend ...

Can't believe that opposition to the Libbos is about something other than racism...can you?
 
Section 5 made gerrymandering legal. You're ok with that?

When did I ever say I was OK with gerrymandering?

EDIT: Also, the gerrymandering is still going on, as I pointed out with the Think Progress article I posted.
 
So the SCOTUS reviewed a case which brought a challenge to portions of the 1964 voting rights act.
They ruled that the additional oversight place on the mostly democrat controlled southern states
were no longer necessary.
Did the SCOTUS have the right to so rule?

Section. 2.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;-- between a State and Citizens of another State,--between Citizens of different States,--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

Yep kinda sounds like!
So some new states will have voter ID laws.
Have the existing Voter ID laws in Blue states disenfranchised anyone?
State Legislators are tasked with drawing congressional districts,
they do their best to represent their constituents.
As demographics change so will the districts.
 
You obviously are a supporter of Section 5, ergo you support racial gerrymandering.

No, I have clearly showed that I am against racial gerrymandering, as I posted the Think Progress article, which shows that racial gerrymandering was occurring and I displayed my dismay.
 
Can't believe that opposition to the Libbos is about something other than racism...can you?

Did you read my post? Apparently not ... but since I have your attention (until some shiny object distracts you), how do you feel about gay marriage? The Sup. Ct. just struck down DOMA (although states can still do what they want) and gays in CA can now get married again after the court said those who brought the case had no standing ... How do you feel about that, and please leave race out of it ...
 
well you know the courts have revisited issues many times, and overturned them.

why should they be mad, constitutionalists, libertarians, and some conservatives, are for state powers, being return to them.

this case says that a government bureaucrat( unelected official) does not get to decide what a states voting guidelines are.

If a judge can throw out a law because their opinion is that it is no longer relevant, then any law can be thrown out because a judge thinks it is no longer relevant. If any law can be thrown out because a judge thinks it is no longer relevant, the same is true of the Constitution.

If the Act had been ruled unConstitutional then at least it would've been tossed for reasons it is within the Court's jurisdiction to decide.
 
no doubt there were blacks who
voted for Obama simply because he was black, just as there was an equal, or greater, number, who voted against him because he was black, but have you looked at the percentage of blacks who voted for Kerry and Clinton? You may notice a pattern.


Fenton, if you want dumb, look in the mirror my friend ...

Proof please ? I mean Liberals Lie, thats a given so I'm going to need you to quantify that statement.

And I promise, I guarantee I am levels above you in intelligence.

I'll match brain pans with you or any other of the sub-species that inhabit the failed ideology of Liberalsim any time you want.

A person who doesn't even posses the fundamental reasoning capabillities to know when theyr'e being manipulated or lied to has no business critiquing my intelligence.

A person who is so susceptable to plattitudes and talking points, who follows blindly a agenda because they lack the IQ to be objective has no business critiquing my intelligence.

So next time you feel superior based on absolutely nothing and want to insult another poster directly, how about posting something intelligent to go along with it.

Instead of a absolutley inaccurate opinion.
 
Did you read my post? Apparently not ... but since I have your attention (until some shiny object distracts you), how do you feel about gay marriage? The Sup. Ct. just struck down DOMA (although states can still do what they want) and gays in CA can now get married again after the court said those who brought the case had no standing ... How do you feel about that, and please leave race out of it ...

Could care less if gays get married. Git after it is my opinion on that.
 
If a judge can throw out a law because their opinion is that it is no longer relevant, then any law can be thrown out because a judge thinks it is no longer relevant. If any law can be thrown out because a judge thinks it is no longer relevant, the same is true of the Constitution.

If the Act had been ruled unConstitutional then at least it would've been tossed for reasons it is within the Court's jurisdiction to decide.

By that logic, any law can be thrown out, because a judge thinks it's unconstitutional.
 
Proof please ? I mean Liberals Lie, thats a given so I'm going to need you to quantify that statement.

And I promise, I guarantee I am levels above you in intelligence.

I'll match brain pans with you or any other of the sub-species that inhabit the failed ideology of Liberalsim any time you want.

A person who doesn't even posses the fundamental reasoning capabillities to know when theyr'e being manipulated or lied to has no business critiquing my intelligence.

A person who is so susceptable to plattitudes and talking points, who follows blindly a agenda because they lack the IQ to be objective has no business critiquing my intelligence.

So next time you feel superior based on absolutely nothing and want to insult another poster directly, how about posting something intelligent to go along with it.

Instead of a absolutley inaccurate opinion.


Come on, you can't guarantee that you're more intelligent than I am anymore than I can that I am more intelligent than you, although saying something like "match brain pans" does undermine your argument. Brain pan? Makes it sound like your brain is leaking and the pan is catching the stuff that's leaking. (Actually, I know what the brain pan is, although I'm not sure what the skull or cranium has to do with intelligence. Are you saying you have a harder skull? That wouldn't surprise me.)

And how do you determine whether it's you or me who is being manipulated? What if you're being manipulated into saying that I'm being manipulated? Do you see the problem with that kind of argument?

I thought I posted something intelligent. Maybe you can't tell when something is intelligent. You said blacks voted for Obama simply because he was black. How do you know this anyway? Some people would call that a form of bigotry because I've yet to see anyone say that white people voted for Romney because he was white. He got 47% of the vote, but almost 60% of the white vote. I simply pointed out that the vast majority of blacks vote Democratic regardless of the color of the candidate.
 
By that logic, any law can be thrown out, because a judge thinks it's unconstitutional.

Of course any law can be thrown out on Constitutional grounds, and that's fine. What bothers me is the idea of discarding a law because a judge doesn't think it matters anymore.
 
Of course any law can be thrown out on Constitutional grounds, and that's fine. What bothers me is the idea of discarding a law because a judge doesn't think it matters anymore.

It's nothing but different sides of the same coin.
 
excuse me, i never said anything about you and states here did i?

I agree, it may seem to have been a derailment. I don't believe it is that much of a stretch from country to state to county to town to person. I like to use similar analogies with the quantum theory. It was late. The issues are emotional.
 
Of course any law can be thrown out on Constitutional grounds, and that's fine. What bothers me is the idea of discarding a law because a judge doesn't think it matters anymore.

Do you believe it was done on a technicality? And that a technicality should be allowed on an overarching issue like voting? And that states should now be allowed to hurry in with previously determined illegal voting laws before said technicality can be resolved?
 
Come on, you can't guarantee that you're more intelligent than I am
anymore than I can that I am more intelligent than you, although saying something like "match brain pans" does undermine your argument. Brain pan? Makes it sound like your brain is leaking and the pan is catching the stuff that's leaking. (Actually, I know what the brain pan is, although I'm not sure what the skull or cranium has to do with intelligence. Are you saying you have a harder skull? That wouldn't surprise me.)

And how do you determine whether it's you or me who is being manipulated? What if you're being manipulated into saying that I'm being manipulated? Do you see the problem with that kind of argument?

I thought I posted something intelligent. Maybe you can't tell when something is intelligent. You said blacks voted for Obama simply because he was black. How do you know this anyway? Some people would call that a form of bigotry because I've yet to see anyone say that white people voted for Romney because he was white. He got 47% of the vote, but almost 60% of the white vote. I simply pointed out that the vast majority of blacks vote Democratic regardless of the color of the candidate.

Never heard that expression ?

I'm guessing it's just one small bit of a exponential amount of knowledge you lack.

But you said I was " dumb " so lets address that claim.

The vast majority of Democrats that voted for Obama in 2008 were taken in by a media construct and a camapign that produced a concept not a leader.

They chose to ignore his past radical affiliations and lack of experience and also felt the time for a black candidate had come, regardless of experience and qualifications.

Well we learned fairly quickly how important experience was, and struggled for 4 years as more and more Americans became acquainted with Government assistance.

In 2012 his campaign and the media pushed the false constructs and narratives like the Republicans war on woman and singled in on Romneys character, because there was absolutley no accomplishment they could point to to validate a second term for Obama.

If you believed those narratives, if you voted for a man who had added 6 trillion to our structural debt and had his FED pump unlimited QE into the financial markets while people struggled with chronic unemployment then well, your'e just not that bright.

There is no way around it, our future had been decided by the least of us and its panning out exactly like I thought it would in 2008.

Multiple scandals, a economy on life suppprt and people who lack character and integrity making excuses for it.
 
progressive groups are calling for a new constitutional amendment that would guarantee and protect the the right to vote. do you have any objections to that proposal

Any change done to the Constitution by amendment becomes the law of the land. Of course, I have no problem with this.
 
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