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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As is often the case, the popular vote was closer than the electoral tally, and Humphrey came very close in several states that ultimately didn't go his way. As Wallace's poll numbers fell in the last weeks, Humphrey's rose by an equivalent amount.
    I'm sorry, which of Wallace's "votes" went to Humphrey?
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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm sorry, which of Wallace's "votes" went to Humphrey?
    As Wallace's voters left him, they voted for Humphrey instead. They did not go to Nixon.
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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As Wallace's voters left him, they voted for Humphrey instead. They did not go to Nixon.
    Yes Jack Ryan, you already went in that circle, I am asking you to document this claim in some objective manner.


    "From October 13-20, Wallace's support fell from 20% to 15% nationally. In the North, the former Wallace vote split evenly between Humphrey and Nixon. In the border South, Wallace defectors were choosing Nixon over Humphrey by three to one."

    Carter, Dan T. (1995, 2000). The Politics of Rage: George Wallace, the Origins of the New Conservatism, and the Transformation of American Politics. New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 352, 362-364.
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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    The electoral vote was closer: 301 for Nixon, 191 for Humphrey and 46 for Wallace. Had HHH got 115,000 of Nixon's votes in California (only about 1.5 percent of the state total vote) and 45,000 more in Ohio (only about 1.2 percent), he would have won the election.

    Wallace was a Democrat, but almost all his voters would have gone to Nixon in a two-candidate race. A post-election study broke the Wallace vote down as 80-20 for Nixon. So that close three-man race would have been a comfortable Nixon popular victory of about 54-46 percent in a two-man race.

    President Humphrey would definitely have had a problem on his hands. By the end of his first 100 days in office, he would probably be just about where Bill Clinton is today. Clinton is stuck at 45 percent approval rating -- a figure that is very close to the percentage of the popular vote he got last fall (Clinton 43, George Bush 38, Perot 19).

    With Wallace and the Republicans sniping at him, HHH might even have been lower.

    Now, President Nixon had no such problem. Wallace personally was unhappy with him, but he could not keep his bloc intact. A Gallup Poll trial heat pitting Nixon, Wallace and the most popular Democrat in the spring of 1969 came out Nixon 52 percent, Wallace 10, Sen. Edward Kennedy 33. Wallace had lost about a fourth of his vote to Nixon, who made a blatant pitch for conservative Southerners.

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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes Jack Ryan, you already went in that circle, I am asking you to document this claim in some objective manner.


    "From October 13-20, Wallace's support fell from 20% to 15% nationally. In the North, the former Wallace vote split evenly between Humphrey and Nixon. In the border South, Wallace defectors were choosing Nixon over Humphrey by three to one."

    Carter, Dan T. (1995, 2000). The Politics of Rage: George Wallace, the Origins of the New Conservatism, and the Transformation of American Politics. New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 352, 362-364.
    It's only Wikipedia on the Presidential campaign, but it's accurate.

    "Polls that showed Wallace winning almost one-half of union members in the summer of 1968 showed a sharp decline in his union support as the campaign progressed. As election day approached and Wallace's support in the North and Midwest began to wane, Humphrey finally began to climb in the polls. . . .

    In October, Humphrey—who was rising sharply in the polls due to the collapse of the Wallace vote—began to distance himself publicly from the Johnson administration on the Vietnam War, calling for a bombing halt.
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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's only Wikipedia on the Presidential campaign, but it's accurate.

    "Polls that showed Wallace winning almost one-half of union members in the summer of 1968 showed a sharp decline in his union support as the campaign progressed. As election day approached and Wallace's support in the North and Midwest began to wane, Humphrey finally began to climb in the polls. . . .

    In October, Humphrey—who was rising sharply in the polls due to the collapse of the Wallace vote—began to distance himself publicly from the Johnson administration on the Vietnam War, calling for a bombing halt.
    Yes dear, I think I covered the rise in the north/midwest with "In the North, the former Wallace vote split evenly between Humphrey and Nixon."...but the overriding point is that Nixon gained far more of former Wallace supporters since nearly all were conservative. Various authors show an 80-20 split for Nixon. Now if you want to claim a win by saying that in ABSOLUTE terms Nixon gained some of Wallace's votes....well go ahead and take your hollow victory, I know how much you need them.

    Pfft.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes dear, I think I covered the rise in the north/midwest with "In the North, the former Wallace vote split evenly between Humphrey and Nixon."...but the overriding point is that Nixon gained far more of former Wallace supporters since nearly all were conservative. Various authors show an 80-20 split for Nixon. Now if you want to claim a win by saying that in ABSOLUTE terms Nixon gained some of Wallace's votes....well go ahead and take your hollow victory, I know how much you need them.

    Pfft.
    I accept your concession.
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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Historically not so, actually. As George Wallace's poll numbers declined in the waning days of the 1968 Presidential election, his votes went to Hubert Humphrey, not Richard Nixon. That's one reason why that election was so close.
    No Jack, you are still wrong, around 80% of Wallace's votes went to Nixon.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: US Supreme Court strikes down voting rights act clause

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    No Jack, you are still wrong, around 80% of Wallace's votes went to Nixon.
    False.
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