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IRS targeting included liberal groups

Fenton said:
There was a DOMA list that included " progressive" and " Occupy " but Washington was the one who held back Conservative 501s for further " review", not low level agents in Cinci.
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Somebody watches too much Fox News.
 
head of joaquin said:
Somebody watches too much Fox News.
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Actually the documents that show the IRS rushed through Progressive groups while it sent Conservative groups off to Washington was in the weekly standard.

I havn't watched Fox in a few weeks so I don't know if theyv'e mentioned it or not.

Regardless, you'll stick to the claims of a Govt agency who's investigating...itself.

I'll just continue to point out the contradictions.
 
Fenton said:
Your concern regarding PACs skirting tax law is a bit insincere.

Did it take the illegal release of confidential donors list and the harassment of groups you oppose on a ideological level to peak your interest or has this always been a concern of yours ?
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Anyone violating the law to corrupt my government has always been my concern.

Now tell me, has it always been a concern of yours to defend groups who attempt to break the law?

Sounds like your'e just trying to defend the undefensable to me and prior to the IRS getting popped for targeting groups based on their beliefs you really could have cared less.
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If they had been targeting ANY groups in the same manner, I'd feel the exact same way. Unlike you, I'm not a blind party supporter.

Just as long as Democrats got elected.
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I'm not a Democrat. It seems as if I've told you this multiple times.

Well they were elected and now we're paying for it with multiple scandals
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Except they are not really scandals, as the facts are constantly show. Good try though.

I can't figure out what your'e so proud about.
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That fact I'm not so blinded with hatred as you are is a good start.
Mithros said:
It's the only damn 501c4 group to be denied. There aren't any others. I'm sure 2+2=4 would be a talking point if a republican said it was five.

Not that any facts, reality, or critical thinking will ever permeate your bubble.
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Nothing ever does. He's completely blinded with hatred and no amount of facts and truth will ever change it. Or, and this is more likely, he's just a troll.

sangha said:
So you think those right wing groups would have helped with Romney's campaign?

Thanks for admitting that the IRS was right for investigating those groups.
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They'll never understand the ridiculousness you rightly pointed out here.
Mithros said:
I'm not sure there's any amount of mental gymnastics that can possibly justify the idea that political spending by conservatives was in some way impeded.
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They're not interested in truth, they're only interested in feeling persecuted. It's quite an amazing phenomenon really.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Okay, so you have no support for your claim, or you aren't willing to provide it and support your argument, so you really have no basis on which to argue anything in this thread.
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the support to that claim has been posted in this thread at least twice I know because im the one who posted them. But because it debunks your argument it is quickly ignored so i will post it again

A November 2010 version of the list obtained by National Review Online, however, suggests that while the list did contain the word “progressive,” screeners were in fact instructed to treat “progressive” groups differently from “tea party” groups. Whereas screeners were merely alerted that a designation of 501(c)(3) status “may not be appropriate” for applications containing the word ”progressive” – 501(c)(3) groups are prohibited from conducting any political activities – they were told to send those of tea-party groups off ”to Group 7822″ for further scrutiny.

That means the applications of progressive groups could be approved on the spot by line agents, while those of tea-party groups could not. Furthermore, the November 2010 list noted that tea-party cases were “currently being coordinated with EOT,” which stands for Exempt Organizations Technical, a group of tax lawyers in Washington, D.C. Those of progressive groups were not.
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'Lookout List' Not Much Broader Than Originally Thought, Contrary to Reports | National Review Online

so go ahead ignore it for the 3rd time it is the only way you think you can win an argument is to ignore the facts

so the ball is back in your court there is the support to the claim now it is up to you to disprove the claim that i just gave
 
Actually the documents that show the IRS rushed through Progressive groups while it sent Conservative groups off to Washington was in the weekly standard.
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What documents?

so go ahead ignore it for the 3rd time it is the only way you think you can win an argument is to ignore the facts
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I didn't ignore it in fact I addressed the NR article and its cited source directly.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Anyone violating the law to corrupt my government has always been my concern.

Now tell me, has it always been a concern of yours to defend groups who attempt to break the law?

If they had been targeting ANY groups in the same manner, I'd feel the exact same way. Unlike you, I'm not a blind party supporter.

I'm not a Democrat. It seems as if I've told you this multiple times.

Except they are not really scandals, as the facts are constantly show. Good try though.

That fact I'm not so blinded with hatred as you are is a good start.


Nothing ever does. He's completely blinded with hatred and no amount of facts and truth will ever change it. Or, and this is more likely, he's just a troll.


They'll never understand the ridiculousness you rightly pointed out here.

They're not interested in truth, they're only interested in feeling persecuted. It's quite an amazing phenomenon really.
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you just made alot of claims with out one shred of evidence to back any of it up. 70% of America says it is a scandal and needs further investigation. only left wing ideologue sycophants like your self want to burry their head in the sand and wish it would all go away because it is so damaging to the progressives big government agenda

it not being a scandal is as big of a lie as you claiming your a moderate only place you would be considered a moderate would be N. Korea or Cuba
 
Slyfox696 said:
Anyone violating the law to corrupt my government has always been my
concern.

Now tell me, has it always been a concern of yours to defend groups who attempt to break the law?

If they had been targeting ANY groups in the same manner, I'd feel the exact same way. Unlike you, I'm not a blind party supporter.

I'm not a Democrat. It seems as if I've told you this multiple times.

Except they are not really scandals, as the facts are constantly show. Good try though.

That fact I'm not so blinded with hatred as you are is a good start.


Nothing ever does. He's completely blinded with hatred and no amount of facts and truth will ever change it. Or, and this is more likely, he's just a troll.


They'll never understand the ridiculousness you rightly pointed out here.

They're not interested in truth, they're only interested in feeling persecuted. It's quite an amazing phenomenon really.
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IF they're violating the law then why did they JUST get approval ?

Your'e lost. Wrapped up in your own contradictions.

Also, I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT so go peddle your bull sh** somewhere else. Your'e not fooling anyone into thinking your'e objective after you take the side of the typical Obama apologist on every topic.
 
Mithros said:
IRS targeting included liberal groups - CNN.com

The Internal Revenue Service targeted liberal groups as well as conservatives seeking tax-exempt status, a Democratic congressman charged on Monday after the agency acknowledged the inappropriate practice continued until last month.

Rep. Sander Levin said the term "progressives" was included on IRS screening lists of applicants for tax-exempt status made available to Congress on Monday.
It was the first confirmation that the "Be on the Lookout" or BOLO lists used criteria targeting liberal groups after an inspector general's report made public last month said the IRS had used words such as "tea party" to determine possible extra scrutiny.​


Can we finally stop pretending that the IRS "scandal" is actually a scandal? The IRS gave extra scrutiny to political groups applying for 501c(4) status. Political groups should be 527's, not 501c's. What we've dealt with so far is a concerted effort by Republicans to selectively release information, giving the appearance of a scandal.
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What a crock of ****....

What liberal groups?? libertarian groups? REAL GROUPS THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE **** LIBERAL MEANS?

I want to see the records - I want to see groups the IRS admits to "attacking." I suspect the list (if even one truly exists) is a carbon copy of the SPLC list of alleged "hate groups" (which the Tea Party is included in or was until people went bat****).

Lets just break it down simple. There is a war by big government collectivists (nanny state promoters) who believe government is the ultimate authority and provider and they're opposed to "individualists" who believe the individual is the ultimate provider of liberty and sustenance for themselves and family - and I don't give a **** if you refer to yourself as "liberal" or "conservative", "progressive" or "Tea Party" or "Republican or Democrat" - Those are nothing more than labels some people don't understand...
 
trfjr said:
you just made alot of claims with out one shred of evidence to back any of it up.
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Uhh...the truth supports my claims.

70% of America says it is a scandal and needs further investigation.
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First of all, I'd like to see your source, and second of all, I bet most of those people who said that did so without the knowledge progressive groups were targeted as well.

only left wing ideologue sycophants
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I'm not left wing, I'm just not a fool. Not surprisingly to me, it's hard for you to see the difference.

it not being a scandal is as big of a lie as you claiming your a moderate only place you would be considered a moderate would be N. Korea or Cuba
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And as facts continue to come out, about this and Benghazi and the NSA, we find they are not nearly the scandals Republicans wanted people to believe.
Fenton said:
IF they're violating the law then why did they JUST get approval ?
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Now you're upset your groups are getting approval? Do you even know what you're saying anymore?

You're making my point. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE GETTING APPROVAL! THAT'S WHAT I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT!

Seriously, how many times do I have to say it before it gets through your skull? The problem here isn't the supposed targeting of one side which really wasn't, the problem is the abuse of the law. Seriously, would it kill you to pay attention even once?

Your'e lost. Wrapped up in your own contradictions.
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Says the person who clearly has no idea what they are talking about anymore.

Also, I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT so go peddle your bull sh** somewhere else. Your'e not fooling anyone into thinking your'e objective after you take the side of the typical Obama apologist on every topic.
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:lol:

I take the side against irrationality. If you happen to be on the other side of me, that doesn't mean I'm a "typical Obama apologist", it just means you're not interested in truth or reason, but rather blind partisan hysteria.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Uhh...the truth supports my claims.

First of all, I'd like to see your source, and second of all, I bet most of those people who said that did so without the knowledge progressive groups were targeted as well.

I'm not left wing, I'm just not a fool. Not surprisingly to me, it's hard for you to see the difference.

And as facts continue to come out, about this and Benghazi and the NSA, we find they are not nearly the scandals Republicans wanted people to believe.
Now you're upset your groups are getting approval? Do you even know what you're saying anymore?

You're making my point. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE GETTING APPROVAL! THAT'S WHAT I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT!

Seriously, how many times do I have to say it before it gets through your skull? The problem here isn't the supposed targeting of one side which really wasn't, the problem is the abuse of the law. Seriously, would it kill you to pay attention even once?

Says the person who clearly has no idea what they are talking about anymore.

:lol:

I take the side against irrationality. If you happen to be on the other side of me, that doesn't mean I'm a "typical Obama apologist", it just means you're not interested in truth or reason, but rather blind partisan hysteria.
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Head of Joaquin likes it!

Perhaps you two were separated at birth??
 
Slyfox696 said:
Uhh...the truth supports my claims.

First of all, I'd like to see your source, and second of all, I bet most of those people who said that did so without the knowledge progressive groups were targeted as well.

I'm not left wing, I'm just not a fool. Not surprisingly to me, it's hard for you to see the difference.

And as facts continue to come out, about this and Benghazi and the NSA, we find they are not nearly the scandals Republicans wanted people to believe.
Now you're upset your groups are getting approval? Do you even know what you're saying anymore?

You're making my point. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE GETTING APPROVAL! THAT'S WHAT I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT!

Seriously, how many times do I have to say it before it gets through your skull? The problem here isn't the supposed targeting of one side which really wasn't, the problem is the abuse of the law. Seriously, would it kill you to pay attention even once?

Says the person who clearly has no idea what they are talking about anymore.

:lol:

I take the side against irrationality. If you happen to be on the other side of me, that doesn't mean I'm a "typical Obama apologist", it just means you're not interested in truth or reason, but rather blind partisan hysteria.
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Hmmm...

Watchdog Found IRS Softer on ‘Progressives’ Than Tea Partiers - ABC News

Jun 27, 2013 2:04pm

The Internal Revenue Service scrutinized “progressive” groups less harshly than conservative groups, the Treasury Inspector General said in a letter to Congress this week.

J. Russell George, the investigator who carried out a probe into the IRS’ targeting of groups that applied for tax-exempt status, said he did not limit his investigation to tea party groups.

“Our audit did not find evidence that the IRS used the ‘progressives’ identifier as selection criteria for potential political cases between May 2010 and May 2012,” George wrote in a letter to House Ways and Means ranking Democrat Rep. Sandy Levin.
 
Listening today to Werfel testify today before the ways, and means committee, this was brought up, and it was stated that the chairman, congressman Camp, had the list of "progressive" groups....There were 7 groups, all of which got their status in under the 30 plus months that TP groups waited, as well as do those all shouting "ah ha!" now really think that 7 out of some 290 plus groups is anywhere near an exonerating point?

I think it is just more attempt to stifle investigation into this.
 
j-mac said:
Listening today to Werfel testify today before the ways, and means committee, this was brought up, and it was stated that the chairman, congressman Camp, had the list of "progressive" groups....There were 7 groups, all of which got their status in under the 30 plus months that TP groups waited, as well as do those all shouting "ah ha!" now really think that 7 out of some 290 plus groups is anywhere near an exonerating point?

I think it is just more attempt to stifle investigation into this.
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It sure shut up the corrupt Liberals here.

They were so excited when the Chairman state Progressive groups were " targeted too ". Huff-Po ran this HUGE banner....LOL !! It was a obvious lie, the IRS is digging itself a deeper and deeper hole because Issa isn't stopping.
 
Fenton said:
It sure shut up the corrupt Liberals here.

They were so excited when the Chairman state Progressive groups were " targeted too ". Huff-Po ran this HUGE banner....LOL !! It was a obvious lie, the IRS is digging itself a deeper and deeper hole because Issa isn't stopping.
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And I hope he continues...Today, they voted that Lerner violated her 5th amendment claim with her little stunt, so she'll be back.
 
Mithros said:
IRS targeting included liberal groups - CNN.com

The Internal Revenue Service targeted liberal groups as well as conservatives seeking tax-exempt status, a Democratic congressman charged on Monday after the agency acknowledged the inappropriate practice continued until last month.

Rep. Sander Levin said the term "progressives" was included on IRS screening lists of applicants for tax-exempt status made available to Congress on Monday.
It was the first confirmation that the "Be on the Lookout" or BOLO lists used criteria targeting liberal groups after an inspector general's report made public last month said the IRS had used words such as "tea party" to determine possible extra scrutiny.​


Can we finally stop pretending that the IRS "scandal" is actually a scandal? The IRS gave extra scrutiny to political groups applying for 501c(4) status. Political groups should be 527's, not 501c's. What we've dealt with so far is a concerted effort by Republicans to selectively release information, giving the appearance of a scandal.
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ROTFLOL... Libs should try this as a comedy routine...because it's funny... if it weren't so sad.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... Libs should try this as a comedy routine...because it's funny... if it weren't so sad.
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Their silence suggests they are finally catching on but, despite this lesson, they will soon revert to their old ways.
 
WRONG!!!! the overwhelming majority of the targeted groups WERE CONSERVATIVE. ANY Liberal groups targeted excuses NOTHING. Just means the Liberals should join us in their disgust for the IRS.
 
tommytunes said:
WRONG!!!! the overwhelming majority of the targeted groups WERE CONSERVATIVE. ANY Liberal groups targeted excuses NOTHING. Just means the Liberals should join us in their disgust for the IRS.
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Of course they should but they will always put theory and belief before facts and their country.
 
do you watch that Lib show on HBO with Jeff Daniels. "Newsroom"... Can't wait to see how they handle these "phony scandals" on upcoming shows
 
Yes, the WH, including Obama, his Top Aides, Hillary included orchestrated and carried out illegal targeting of Conservative and additional groups apposed to Obama's twisted ideology via the IRS and other Federal orginizations.

The IRS illegally released donor list to liberal activist groups and Democrat politicians.

Every bit of that will be proven eventually.

The WH, State Dept Secretary and additional state dept employees, after a Sept 11 terroist attack on our New Benghazi Consulate that resulted in the death of four Americans, created a false story about a " protest" because it was politically expediant and have since refused to answer questions from Law Makers while their useful idiot supporters and Obama himself claim it's a phoney scandal.

The WH, and the DOJ, and the ATF, let walk thousands of high powered assault rifles accross the border, knowing they would wind up in the hands of drug cartels and also knowing it would cost the lives of hundreds of Mexicans.
For the sole reason, to gin up anti-gun support in America and create a backlash that would result in new gun laws.

Eric Holder perjured himself in front of a Congressional Comittee.

The WH, and the DOJ, lied to a judge for the explicit reason to target a reporter who worked for a news source that was unfriendly to the Obama administration.

Eric Holder perjured himself infront of a Congressional Comittee.

On top of that Obama has failed as a President and a leader and the economy of the US has been on a steady devline since he sullied the Oval Office.

Our foriegn policy has made for a far more dangerous and unstable Middle East and has led to more death and more destruction.

All because the idiots outnumbered the people with a brain in 2008 and 2012.
 
I just love the weak arse responses in here by liberal progressives that say "Ah Ha!" we found liberal groups too!"

Yeah, 5 or 7 liberal groups, as compared to hundreds of conservative groups, and clearly IRS leaders attempting to take the 5th, and others doing things to impede the investigation into this, oh yeah, that's fair....:roll:
 
tommytunes said:
WRONG!!!! the overwhelming majority of the targeted groups WERE CONSERVATIVE. ANY Liberal groups targeted excuses NOTHING. Just means the Liberals should join us in their disgust for the IRS.
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Do you think it's because conservative groups violate the law more often? I got the idea from cons who justify racial profiling by arguing that since blacks commit most of the crimes, of course the police is going to stop them. So, of course, the IRS is going to profile conservative groups.
 
windowdressing said:
Do you think it's because conservative groups violate the law more often? I got the idea from cons who justify racial profiling by arguing that since blacks commit most of the crimes, of course the police is going to stop them. So, of course, the IRS is going to profile conservative groups.
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*Scratches head, then shakes it in disgust* :doh

Are you kidding here? Is it a crime to be in opposition to Obama policies?
 
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